Trespass

[Mark_BX25D]

It’s difficult to prove intent.

Nah.

 

[NCL4701]

Father-in-Law lives not too far away on the same FM road as we do. He has a Backhoe I can borrow in case of Trespassers. oooops.

Have to be careful even with a backhoe handy. Just finished a case with a “customer” that decided to sell his $45K boat to his insurance company by cutting it into several pieces, burying it in various places on his property, and reporting it stolen. Those fresh digs weren’t too hard to find.

 

[RCW]

Have to be careful even with a backhoe handy. Just finished a case with a “customer” that decided to sell his $45K boat to his insurance company by cutting it into several pieces, burying it in various places on his property, and reporting it stolen. Those fresh digs weren’t too hard to find.

True - - -

We had a local "entrepreneur" selling certain "products" from his home.

Couple local rocket scientists (sorry @xrocketengineer ) decided to rob him at his house.

He was obviously prepared for the possibility.

Long story short, "business-person" buries one of them in the woods with his Kubota backhoe.

I don't remember what model the Kubota TLB was....

 

[Flintknapper]

Have to be careful even with a backhoe handy. Just finished a case with a “customer” that decided to sell his $45K boat to his insurance company by cutting it into several pieces, burying it in various places on his property, and reporting it stolen. Those fresh digs weren’t too hard to find.

^^^^^^

Yeah, bad idea all around. I can only imagine what kind of insurance fraud goes on every day.

My reference to a backhoe was entirely in Jest of course (bringing the subject back on track).

 

[lugbolt]

^^^^^^

Yeah, bad idea all around. I can only imagine what kind of insurance fraud goes on every day.

I did almost 3 decades at a kubota dealer. I'm one of the few who are well aware of how much fraud goes on. KTAC included. Made a few people mad because I wouldn't make "good" on their requests that would've been fraudulent. Changed jobs and a few of those fraudsters followed me. Everyone knows one of them in this area. Ran for Mayor. Daren probably knows who I'm talking about

 

[Daren Todd]

I did almost 3 decades at a kubota dealer. I'm one of the few who are well aware of how much fraud goes on. KTAC included. Made a few people mad because I wouldn't make "good" on their requests that would've been fraudulent. Changed jobs and a few of those fraudsters followed me. Everyone knows one of them in this area. Ran for Mayor. Daren probably knows who I'm talking about

There's a few of them around here. That good ol' boy network.

I'm not sure who your referring too though. I didn't pay attention to that race.

 

[Mark_BX25D]

I do have “POSTED” AND “NO TRESSPASSING” AND “PRIVATE PROPERTY” signs on the entrance gate to my property.

You can take the "POSTED" signs down. They don't mean anything.

When your state law says that your property must be "posted", it does NOT mean that you have to put up a sign with the word, "posted" on it. It means you must put up signs.

In other words, it means that you must POST signage to the effect that it is private property. You put a meaningful sign (like, "No Trespassing", "Private Property", etc.) on a POST.

Once you have those meaningful signs up where they can be seen, your property has been posted.

It has nothing to do with displaying the word, "posted".

 

[D2Cat]

I was told by someone who I am sure know, said when you post a NO TRESPASSING sign when someone comes onto your property they are trespassing and can be arrested. If there is no NO TRESPASSING sign they get one warning that they are trespassing before being arrested. That makes the sign worth what it cost!!

 

[Yotekiller]

You can take the "POSTED" signs down. They don't mean anything.

When your state law says that your property must be "posted", it does NOT mean that you have to put up a sign with the word, "posted" on it. It means you must put up signs.

In other words, it means that you must POST signage to the effect that it is private property. You put a meaningful sign (like, "No Trespassing", "Private Property", etc.) on a POST.

Once you have those meaningful signs up where they can be seen, your property has been posted.

It has nothing to do with displaying the word, "posted".

In my state, you can paint purple markings on a tree and that means no trespassing. Saves a lot of money over signs. I have a purple perimeter around my entire property.

 

[BBFarmer]

In my state, you can paint purple markings on a tree and that means no trespassing. Saves a lot of money over signs. I have a purple perimeter around my entire property.

I like the sounds of that.

Going to have to google around and find out if we can do that in MS.

 

[Flintknapper]

I like the sounds of that.

Going to have to google around and find out if we can do that in MS.

I don't think you have that in your State, but do check.

I believe there was a House Bill for it (HB1667) but it died in committee.

 

[Yotekiller]

These are the states that currently have the paint law. Not sure the date of this article so the list may have changed.

• Alabama
• Arkansas
• Arizona
• Florida
• Illinois
• Indiana
• Kansas
• Maine
• Missouri
• North Carolina
• Pennsylvania
• South Carolina
• Tennessee
• Texas
• States like Idaho and Montana use ORANGE paint to indicate no trespassing.

 

[rc51stierhoff]

Does everyone follow speed limit signs?

Anybody jaywalk?

IMO posting a sign is like a door lock…it keeps honest people honest. That’s about it.

Posting a no trespassing sign to your own neighbors without any discussion could be taken as an insult. So there is maybe some potential risk of relationships if there is one. I understand it’s a property owners right to do that but it’s also being a good neighbor to be transparent and discuss underlying reason not concern, if not already done that. JMHO.

Keeping good healthy and reciprocal relationship with neighbor to look after each others stuff has been helpful for me.

And if that doesn’t work, they always need exercise…

 

[Yotekiller]

Does everyone follow speed limit signs?

Anybody jaywalk?

IMO posting a sign is like a door lock…it keeps honest people honest. That’s about it.

Posting a no trespassing sign to your own neighbors without any discussion could be taken as an insult. So there is maybe some potential risk of relationships if there is one. I understand it’s a property owners right to do that but it’s also being a good neighbor to be transparent and discuss underlying reason not concern, if not already done that. JMHO.

Keeping good healthy and reciprocal relationship with neighbor to look after each others stuff has been helpful for me.

And it that doesn’t work, they always need exercise…

In my state, if the private land is not posted with no trespassing, law enforcement cannot prosecute for trespassing. That is why it's wise to have the land posted. It also allows people to visually see the property line which they may not know about otherwise. And honestly, nobody needs to be entering in my back woods unless they have permission, that includes neighbors. I am on friendly terms with my neighbors and actually good buddies with one of them, but if they get their britches ruffled over me putting up no trespassing signs on my property, that's an issue they need to deal with on their own.

 

[Mark_BX25D]

In my state, you can paint purple markings on a tree and that means no trespassing. Saves a lot of money over signs. I have a purple perimeter around my entire property.

Yes, I am seeing more states adopt that. As long as it's well published, it's a good idea. In Virginia, you can use silver, too.

 

[NCL4701]

We use both yellow tyvek signs and purple paint. The yellow signs are easier to see (and harder to not see). Being plainly written, their message is undeniably clear, even for our newer urban transplant type neighbors who are quite likely to not know what the purple paint means.

The purple paint never blows off, never gets torn off by folks who wish it wasn’t there, is really easy to apply, and is relatively inexpensive. Doing both isn’t much more expensive or time consuming than signs only.

We don’t mark our borders with our neighbors who have been here forever. We all know approximately where those lines are and have no issue staying on our own side. Some of the border areas where the neighboring developers have yet to clear, it is legitimately difficult to know where the border is unless it’s marked. NC General Statute 14-159.7 requires markings a maximum of 100 yards apart. Our signs and paint are more like 50 to 75 feet apart so it’s kind of difficult to not know where the line is. We check it once a year. Takes about two days depending on how many signs need replacing.

We had a couple neighbors years ago that were intermittently problematic. Those folks sold out to developers so they’re gone. Seems like our developer neighborhood neighbors will wander all over “vacant” land like it’s a park if there’s not undeniably clear signage, but they’ll pay attention to signs that are maintained in good condition.

We recently learned from a neighbor friend we have a reputation for slinging a fair amount of lead around at odd times. Hadn’t thought about that, but I guess between clays, general target practice with a variety of long guns and hand guns, and a bit of hunting we do make some noise now and then. Didn’t think anyone paid any mind, but apparently that has a chilling effect on using our place as a public park. We still have cameras and monitor the place, primarily due to problems we haven’t had for many years that we don’t care to repeat.

 

[D2Cat]

We use both yellow tyvek signs and purple paint. The yellow signs are easier to see (and harder to not see). Being plainly written, their message is undeniably clear, even for our newer urban transplant type neighbors who are quite likely to not know what the purple paint means.

The purple paint never blows off, never gets torn off by folks who wish it wasn’t there, is really easy to apply, and is relatively inexpensive. Doing both isn’t much more expensive or time consuming than signs only.

We don’t mark our borders with our neighbors who have been here forever. We all know approximately where those lines are and have no issue staying on our own side. Some of the border areas where the neighboring developers have yet to clear, it is legitimately difficult to know where the border is unless it’s marked. NC General Statute 14-159.7 requires markings a maximum of 100 yards apart. Our signs and paint are more like 50 to 75 feet apart so it’s kind of difficult to not know where the line is. We check it once a year. Takes about two days depending on how many signs need replacing.

We had a couple neighbors years ago that were intermittently problematic. Those folks sold out to developers so they’re gone. Seems like our developer neighborhood neighbors will wander all over “vacant” land like it’s a park if there’s not undeniably clear signage, but they’ll pay attention to signs that are maintained in good condition.

We recently learned from a neighbor friend we have a reputation for slinging a fair amount of lead around at odd times. Hadn’t thought about that, but I guess between clays, general target practice with a variety of long guns and hand guns, and a bit of hunting we do make some noise now and then. Didn’t think anyone paid any mind, but apparently that has a chilling effect on using our place as a public park. We still have cameras and monitor the place, primarily due to problems we haven’t had for many years that we don’t care to repeat.

The best way to keep folks off your property is to be known to have and use guns frequently, and be half crazy! It's Okay to start the rumor yourself to.

 

[GeoHorn]

You can take the "POSTED" signs down. They don't mean anything.

When your state law says that your property must be "posted", it does NOT mean that you have to put up a sign with the word, "posted" on it. It means you must put up signs.

In other words, it means that you must POST signage to the effect that it is private property. You put a meaningful sign (like, "No Trespassing", "Private Property", etc.) on a POST.

Once you have those meaningful signs up where they can be seen, your property has been posted.

It has nothing to do with displaying the word, "posted".

That is not correct at all. A property that is “posted” or has a sign saying “Posted” is a legal device to mark property AS Private and that Permission is required for entrance. “No Tresspassing” signs are useful also…but they are used on Public lands as well as Private.

Purple paint laws are not well-known especially by non-hunters. It is wise to familiarize yourself with them for your state. Example: a purple fence-post spaced at required distances in some states. It is commonly believed INCORRECTLY that purple paint can Replace a No Tresspassing sign. BOTH are required to fully identify private property not to be tresspassed.

Futhermore, purple paint Adds another complexity: Any person tresspassing may NOT be armed with a firearm. At night especially this can subject a trespasser to an owners’ legal use of deadly force.

I”m not a lawyer. Read and Know YOUR state’s laws on these subjects. Don’t believe everything you might find on line or at forums.

Good neighbors know if they are welcome on their neighbors’ property regardless of signage.

 

[The Evil Twin]

So to add another story to these great stories.

I was vice president of a local "club" - large swimming pool and tennis courts.

It seemed that we had some yungin' s who wanted to take late night early morning (2 am) swim - long before cameras and all that great stuff.

Somehow we got a couple of names from the locals - called the town police and they said .......

"you have no trespassing signs posted?" - we said no, he said, aint nothing we can do about it then!

BUT if you DO have those signs posted and have the proof we can then do something!

I wanted to be a smartass and say - we dont have signs up that says - "come in anytime, over the 8' chain-link fence either.

In this part of the woods - if a gun is pointed to, as in on the hip or otherwise - one can be charged with the ol "brandishing a firearm" HERE is the VA law - " criminal offense to point, hold or brandish a firearm in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another "

so ifn you point to it - use it and THEN get the backhoe ready!!!!

In Virginia, that statute does not apply to private property.


§ 18.2-282.

edit- didnt realize this is an old thread.

 

[Yotekiller]

That is not correct at all. A property that is “posted” or has a sign saying “Posted” is a legal device to mark property AS Private and that Permission is required for entrance. “No Tresspassing” signs are useful also…but they are used on Public lands as well as Private.

Purple paint laws are not well-known especially by non-hunters. It is wise to familiarize yourself with them for your state. Example: a purple fence-post spaced at required distances in some states. It is commonly believed INCORRECTLY that purple paint can Replace a No Tresspassing sign. BOTH are required to fully identify private property not to be tresspassed.

Futhermore, purple paint Adds another complexity: Any person tresspassing may NOT be armed with a firearm. At night especially this can subject a trespasser to an owners’ legal use of deadly force.

I”m not a lawyer. Read and Know YOUR state’s laws on these subjects. Don’t believe everything you might find on line or at forums.

Good neighbors know if they are welcome on their neighbors’ property regardless of signage.

Wrong!
The “purple paint law” is found in Indiana Code IC 35-43-2-2and stipulates that appropriately applied purple paint can be used to mark your property with the same legal effect as using a No Trespassing sign.