BX2360 filter cross reference

dstaffo1

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Recently bought a BX2360 and I'm looking to save money on filters. Has anyone actually used any of these filters on their tractor? I want to verify the numbers are correct because you can't always trust the manufacturers websites.

Air: Kubota K1211-8230; Fram CA9248; Hastings AF2308; Purolator A35270; Wix 4669; NAPA 6449

Fuel: Kubota 12581-43012; Fram G4164; Hastings BF7863; Purolator BF7863; Wix 33972; NAPA 3972

Hydraulic: Kubota, HHK20-36990; Fram ----; Hastings BT8905; Purolator ----; Wix 57088; NAPA 7088

Engine: Kubota HH150-32430; Fram PH6607, or PH6017A; Hastings B7285, or LF113; Purolator L14612, or L14622; Wix 51365; NAPA 1365



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Bulldog

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When I was a heavy equipment operator I had to change oil once a month. Even though Cat filters cost over $600 each service I got my way and used all Cat filters. Our other equipment was serviced with several different ones. Wix, Baldwin, Luberfiner and a few others. We all used the same fluids from a bulk tank. When I came of my 980G it had 25,000 + hrs on it and was still on the original engine. About the same time I got my loader we had got 2 new Cat haul trucks. The engine went down in one at 10,000 hrs and the other one at 14,000 hrs.

Does this mean or prove anything, can't really say. My point is this, sometimes trying to save a few pennies bites you in the rear. I'm not saying that Kubota filters are the only thing to use by any means but it may not be the best choice to go with the cheapest either.

Most people don't put enough hrs on their tractor to change oil over 1 time a year. A well maintained tractor can easily last a persons life time. Why chance cutting that time short over a couple of extra dollars for a higher quality filter.

Of course this is only my opinion though.
 

dstaffo1

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Why pay 3 or 4 times as much for a filter that says Kubota on the side of it. Kubota doesn't make filters they make tractors, neither does Cat, or Ford, or Yamaha, or any other motorized equipment manufacturer. They are contracted out to be made by filter manufacturers. I'm not saying buy oddball filters from companies nobody has ever heard of. But Wix, Hasting, Fram, Purolator are major name brands. I am pretty sure they have purchased a Kubota filter torn it apart, analyzed how it was made, and figured out how to make it just as good if not better. I have used a variety of major brand filters in all my vehicles, never even trying to stay with the same brand filter, just buying what ever the parts store I happened to by in had on the shelf. My current pickup has a 6 cylinder gas engine with over 180,000 miles on it and burns less than 1/2 quart of oil between oil changes. My previous truck had a gas 6 cylinder with 232,000 miles on it and burned less oil than that. the one before that was a small block V8 gas engine it had 100,000 on it before it was stolen and the oil never moved on the dipstick between oil changes. The key is use a good quality filter, and oil, and change it regularly at the recommended interval. That goes for all the filters not just the oil.
 

dstaffo1

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Why pay 3 or 4 times as much for a filter that says Kubota on the side of it. Kubota doesn't make filters they make tractors, neither does Cat, or Ford, or Yamaha, or any other motorized equipment manufacturer. They are contracted out to be made by filter manufacturers. I'm not saying buy oddball filters from companies nobody has ever heard of. But Wix, Hasting, Fram, Purolator are major name brands. I am pretty sure they have purchased a Kubota filter torn it apart, analyzed how it was made, and figured out how to make it just as good if not better. I have used a variety of major brand filters in all my vehicles, never even trying to stay with the same brand filter, just buying what ever the parts store I happened to by in had on the shelf. My current pickup has a 6 cylinder gas engine with over 180,000 miles on it and burns less than 1/2 quart of oil between oil changes. My previous truck had a gas 6 cylinder with 232,000 miles on it and burned less oil than that. the one before that was a small block V8 gas engine it had 100,000 on it before it was stolen and the oil never moved on the dipstick between oil changes. The key is use a good quality filter, and oil, and change it regularly at the recommended interval. That goes for all the filters not just the oil.
 

dmanlyr

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Why pay 3 or 4 times as much for a filter that says Kubota on the side of it. Kubota doesn't make filters they make tractors, neither does Cat, or Ford, or Yamaha, or any other motorized equipment manufacturer. They are contracted out to be made by filter manufacturers. I'm not saying buy oddball filters from companies nobody has ever heard of. But Wix, Hasting, Fram, Purolator are major name brands. I am pretty sure they have purchased a Kubota filter torn it apart, analyzed how it was made, and figured out how to make it just as good if not better. I have used a variety of major brand filters in all my vehicles, never even trying to stay with the same brand filter, just buying what ever the parts store I happened to by in had on the shelf. My current pickup has a 6 cylinder gas engine with over 180,000 miles on it and burns less than 1/2 quart of oil between oil changes. My previous truck had a gas 6 cylinder with 232,000 miles on it and burned less oil than that. the one before that was a small block V8 gas engine it had 100,000 on it before it was stolen and the oil never moved on the dipstick between oil changes. The key is use a good quality filter, and oil, and change it regularly at the recommended interval. That goes for all the filters not just the oil.
You are correct in that Kubota does not make filters. BUT what is missed by many is how Kubota specs out there filters. For example, leaving Kubota branded filters out of the picture for a moment... just take a look at a Fram and a WIX filter. Same spec right? Well if that is so why is the filter case so much thicker on the WIX? And if used in a marine or salt environment, than means that the WIX simply has more durability than the Fram. I have personaly observed many Fram filters rusted thru in those conditions. But remember, they were the "same spec"

Now getting back to Kubota Branded filters. Say for example Kubota contracts thats just say for grins with WIX for example for a batch of filters. Kubota may or may not ask for additional filter media, filter media construction or anti drain back valves that WIX in there opinion is not needed for there "will fit" replacement. (nor can be included by WIX for the price point they are selling there will fit filters at)

Although both are the same "spec", they really are not the same filter, even though they were made on the same production line.

Kubota has no interests in meeting a price point nor are they interested in competing with other filter manufactures. What they are interested in is having a filter produced that they deem is required for the proper protection of there engines, regardless if that filter may cost a dollar or two more. Fram, WIX, etc are looking to price compete so they may deem certain filter construction or features that the OEM has incompatible with that price point.

It should also be brought up that on late model Ford diesels, some of the "same spec as OEM" aftermarket filters from WELL KNOWN companies are being produced with a cheaper sealing material applied to the cartridge. This "same spec as OEM" material is flaking off and gumming up the high pressure injection system.... Again, the rational is to be price competive so you will buy there filters at the auto parts store, not what is best!

Same with oil. Oil is oil right ? YES, oil is oil. BUT the additive package is not and varies signifigantly by what each manufacture thinks is important.

Take two stroke oil with a spec of TCW-III. Yes, you can buy the cheaper WalMart brand, but it meets only the MINIMUM specs of TCW-III, while if you buy the more expensive Yamaha 2-M you get additional additives, even though both started out as the same oil.

And if you use that cheaper oil, Yamaha recommends additional additves be added to the fuel, which bring the cost up to about what the Yamaha oil costs, suprise of suprises, you get what you pay for.

Years ago, MerCruiser came out with a excellent parts ad showing two water pump impellers... OEM and aftermarket... same part right? Except if the aftermarket fails they will give you a new impeller. If the OEM fails they will give you a new engine if it is damaged from the overheating!

Just food for thought..

David
 
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Bulldog

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Kubota doesn't make filters they make tractors, neither does Cat, or Ford, or Yamaha, or any other motorized equipment manufacturer. They are contracted out to be made by filter manufacturers. I'm not saying buy oddball filters from companies nobody has ever heard of. I am pretty sure they have purchased a Kubota filter torn it apart, analyzed how it was made, and figured out how to make it just as good if not better.
I will agree that Kubota doesn't make filters but even in their own brand there's a difference. The ones from Japan are built better than the American or Mexican made ones. Yes they are contracted out but it's not just a shot in the dark deal. The contracted filters are made to Kubota or who ever the manufacturer's specs. I agree there are good quality filters on the market but some that have a name from the past are no longer the same quality they once were. Like I said before, it's not like you are changing oil every month so is it really worth taking the chance.

I've only racked up about 60,000 hrs on different equipment so it's hard to develope a educated opinion on the matter. :)
 

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Kubota has no interests in meeting a price point nor are they interested in competing with other filter manufactures. What they are interested in is having a filter produced that they deem is required for the proper protection of there engines, regardless if that filter may cost a dollar or two more. Fram, WIX, etc are looking to price compete so they may deem certain filter construction or features that the OEM has incompatible with that price point.
I spend $16,000 for a tractor, use it in a remote (no dealer for 1,200 miles) location and depend on it for cutting bush and keeping my road passable after severe weather and am I going to economize on filters? Nope.

This is one of those, "Each to his own", issues. I prepare dried beans for my dinner rather than buying canned beans, to save money. My equipment gets the Filet Mignon.
 

dstaffo1

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Wow, I guess I asked the wrong question on this forum. So I guess you guys go to Ford, or GM or whoevers dealer parts counter and buy filters for your personal cars and trucks using factory part numbers. All I can say is I have never had any problems from buying name brand after market filters for anything I've owned be it cars, trucks, boats, motorcycles, snowmobiles, or other tractors I've had. So I would like to get back to my original posting so unless you can answer to that please, don't bother answering at all.
 

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Wow, I guess I asked the wrong question on this forum. So I guess you guys go to Ford, or GM or whoevers dealer parts counter and buy filters for your personal cars and trucks using factory part numbers. All I can say is I have never had any problems from buying name brand after market filters for anything I've owned be it cars, trucks, boats, motorcycles, snowmobiles, or other tractors I've had. So I would like to get back to my original posting so unless you can answer to that please, don't bother answering at all.
Good luck getting advice in the future.
 

Iowan

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I drive Fords and have used Motorcraft filters ($6.00 for an oil filter) I now use K&N
air and oil filters ( $13.00 for an oil filter). The Kubota gets Kubota filters till I find better. As far as you original question, use the cheapest crap you can find so you can post your problem's and we can be amused.
 
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dmanlyr

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Wow, I guess I asked the wrong question on this forum. So I guess you guys go to Ford, or GM or whoevers dealer parts counter and buy filters for your personal cars and trucks using factory part numbers. All I can say is I have never had any problems from buying name brand after market filters for anything I've owned be it cars, trucks, boats, motorcycles, snowmobiles, or other tractors I've had. So I would like to get back to my original posting so unless you can answer to that please, don't bother answering at all.
Am I reading in here that someone have a attitude? Oh well..... I will not waste your time in the future giving a bit of a educated food for thought rather than just assuming that aftermarket filters are fine as long as they cross... and as long as the aftermarket retailer says they are the same quality internally... and as well what someone uses as there personal choice.

Nope without hard fast facts, you cannot make the assumption that a paticular aftermarket filter is the same as the OEM. You can be assured that the 10 - 20% price premium that the OEM filter runs is the proper filter as designed for your engine though. Might be the cheapest $$$ you ever spent in the long run. Sure will save on factual research costs.

Perhaps if you want real factual information still on aftermarket filters, it will be up to you to buy and dissect a OEM filter, buy one, two or three aftermarket filters, dissect them and then, and only then can you determine that the oem and aftermarket are built with the same quality. Don't forget though that you will have to make a comarison for each and every filter number you want to cross reference, you cannot just assume that if a oil filter meets specs, a air filter does as well. Again, real hard facts are what is needed, and on each and every filter involved.

Good luck with your research, please post what you find when you start to open these filters up for a internal inspection as I am very interested in a factual comparison!

I do not have any labs at hand that I can send you to for the actual filter media micron fact checking, but hopefully someone else will chime in with a lab or two. Perhaps a school might be willing to use one of there microscopes to compare the filter medium, that might save a bit of lab costs.

David
 
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Sparky2k

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Am I reading in here that someone have a attitude? Oh well..... I will not waste your time in the future giving a bit of a educated food for thought rather than just assuming that aftermarket filters are fine as long as they cross... and as long as the aftermarket retailer says they are the same quality internally... and as well what someone uses as there personal choice.

Nope without hard fast facts, you cannot make the assumption that a paticular aftermarket filter is the same as the OEM. You can be assured that the 10 - 20% price premium that the OEM filter runs is the proper filter as designed for your engine though. Might be the cheapest $$$ you ever spent in the long run. Sure will save on factual research costs.

Perhaps if you want real factual information still on aftermarket filters, it will be up to you to buy and dissect a OEM filter, buy one, two or three aftermarket filters, dissect them and then, and only then can you determine that the oem and aftermarket are built with the same quality. Don't forget though that you will have to make a comarison for each and every filter number you want to cross reference, you cannot just assume that if a oil filter meets specs, a air filter does as well. Again, real hard facts are what is needed, and on each and every filter involved.

Good luck with your research, please post what you find when you start to open these filters up for a internal inspection as I am very interested in a factual comparison!

I do not have any labs at hand that I can send you to for the actual filter media micron fact checking, but hopefully someone else will chime in with a lab or two. Perhaps a school might be willing to use one of there microscopes to compare the filter medium, that might save a bit of lab costs.

David
Boy this got nasty fast......
This is like the "this oil VS that oil slugfests" Everyone has an opinion.
You want an answer? Call Kubota and ask if they will warranty an engine failure when aftermarket oil filters have been used.
Nuff said.
Sparx
 

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murphy,,, no flow fram?? I have to ask, how? With filter media and a bypass valve. Do you mean no flow at all or restricted flow?? Was this on a dodge perhaps??
Please all,,, try to disagree without being so sarcastic. I personally stopped helping on another site because of that.
 

Breeze

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murphy,,, no flow fram?? I have to ask, how? With filter media and a bypass valve. Do you mean no flow at all or restricted flow??
I put a parts store oil filter in a 2000 Ford Ranger and got intermittent zero oil pressure on the gage. It was replaced with an OEM filter and all fine. I don't know why this happened but those are the facts.
 

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I put a parts store oil filter in a 2000 Ford Ranger and got intermittent zero oil pressure on the gage. It was replaced with an OEM filter and all fine. I don't know why this happened but those are the facts.


My first one was in 2004 on my 98 Ranger with a 2.5.

The second was on a Cub Cadet with a Kolher twin about two years ago......no pressure........no flow.
 

RD Gray

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Boy this got nasty fast......
This is like the "this oil VS that oil slugfests" Everyone has an opinion.
You want an answer? Call Kubota and ask if they will warranty an engine failure when aftermarket oil filters have been used.
Nuff said.
Sparx
The Magnuson-Moss act protects consumers from manufacturers telling them they have to use their products as long as you use something with the same specs you should be fine as warranties are concerned