New to Kubota and looking at L2502 and KX033-4 models

[Brush&dirt]

Never had any Kubota equipment over the years. Im coming from larger equipment and looking to move down to the 25hp machines to avoid emissions systems. My question is does Kubota use EGR on either the L2502 or KX033-4? Closest machines to me are just about a full days endeavor for something the dealer should be able to answer over the phone, which ive tried several dealers with no one able to answer that question.

Thank you.

 

[PaulL]

I believe no EGR on the L2502, same as the L2501. The L2501 had engine D1703-M-DI-E4-LB1, and I can see no mention of EGR on that engine. The manual also has no mention of it, other than in the oil specifications (in a table that basically says "if you have EGR you need this oil, if not then you need that oil over there", but it doesn't actually say whether the tractor has EGR).

 

[fried1765]

Never had any Kubota equipment over the years. Im coming from larger equipment and looking to move down to the 25hp machines to avoid emissions systems. My question is does Kubota use EGR on either the L2502 or KX033-4? Closest machines to me are just about a full days endeavor for something the dealer should be able to answer over the phone, which ive tried several dealers with no one able to answer that question.

Thank you.

As I understand it, 25HP is the magic number.
All equipment under 25HP is exempt.

 

[Brush&dirt]

Thanks for the replies so far. I was also under the impression that 25hp meant zero emissions control systems but ive seen both a Perkins (ASV) and Yanmar (Takeuchi) 25hp with an EGR system. Unfortunately dealers are still not stocked with machines so it makes it hard to just go look at the ones im interested in and verify.

 

[UpNorthMI]

I don’t own any 25HP machines but I do own a lot of Kubota products with emission controls, I’ve never had an issue with any of my emission controlled engines. I’m more concerned about having enough HP and weight to do the tasks I need doing. For me that is an absolute minimum of 25 HP at the PTO, but I have to say my L3901 gives a nice little extra power step up from my L3200. My KX040 has the power and weight to work all day for the tasks I perform.

I get the simpler non emission controlled machines thing, sure we would all like simpler machines but I just need more HP. Is 25 HP really enough for your tasks when you come from larger machines?

 

[Brush&dirt]

I get the simpler non emission controlled machines thing, sure we would all like simpler machines but I just need more HP. Is 25 HP really enough for your tasks when you come from larger machines?

25hp is enough for my use. Im not in the competitive side of business anymore. I have just been taking local work 25hp machines can handle for the past few years with my JCB 8029 and John Deere 850. Looking to replace both of them with new. I still have a non emissions JCB JS130 and JCB 215 if ever again needed.

Peoples definition of problem free varies as well. Ive had many people over the years claim they have had no problems come to find out they were just talking about hard part failures and leaving out the small issues that just required a shutdown/restart to clear or removing and cleaning a sensor/valve. I just dont want any part of it, my non emissions equipment has been trouble free from startup to shutdown, some of it for decades now. None of the tier 4 engines ive had, Kubota included have made it past 500hrs without a minor issue at minimum requiring a restart.

 

[PaulL]

I believe the L2502 has only minor changes from the L2501, mainly comfort things. There are engine changes that nobody knows a lot about, but they appear to be detail only. @Rdrcr I think has seen one.

The L2501 definitely had no emissions equipment in the sense of DPF or the like, the L2502 likewise. I'm pretty certain that also means no EGR, and I've never heard it mentioned, but I can't be 100% certain.

 

[Brush&dirt]

The L2501 I have seen in person and there is no EGR. Have not been able to confirm if any changes were made for the L2502 though.

Up to 25hp still have to meet tier 4 emissions. The standard is just very lax compared to 26+ hp. Ive read the literature for the D1703M-DI-E4 engine in the KX033-4 and it only says the fuel pressure was turned up to meet tier 4, no mention of any other system.

I was all set to buy a Takeuchi TB235-2 with a 25hp Yanmar 3TNV88F. Opened the bonnet and right on top of the engine front and center was an EGR valve. Looked up the model Yanmar engine and found out EGR was part of how they met tier 4. Shortly after seen a 25hp Perkins with EGR, so now im skeptical of any 25hp engine.

 

[UpNorthMI]

25hp is enough for my use. Im not in the competitive side of business anymore. I have just been taking local work 25hp machines can handle for the past few years with my JCB 8029 and John Deere 850. Looking to replace both of them with new. I still have a non emissions JCB JS130 and JCB 215 if ever again

well it sounds like the 25 HP Kubota products are a good fit for you and meet your non emission controlled preferences, welcome to the forum and hopefully your new Kubota machines.
I see you have had a lot of JCB equipment, I grew up local to JCB back in the UK, JCB are offering many of their new machines ready to run on hydrogen.
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[Brush&dirt]

well it sounds like the 25 HP Kubota products are a good fit for you and meet your non emission controlled preferences, welcome to the forum and hopefully your new Kubota machines.
I see you have had a lot of JCB equipment, I grew up local to JCB back in the UK, JCB are offering many of their new machines ready to run on hydrogen.

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Thank you sir, its looking very likely ill be in a Kubota KX033-4 excavator. Bobcat and Takeuchi are the only other manufacturers that offer a conventional tailswing excavator with full cab in 25hp and ive already crossed Takeuchi off the list. The specs on the Bobcat E32 and Kubota KX033-4 are competitive enough that my decision will be made once I test each machine.

Unfortunately, JCB does not offer their 36C-1 model here in the states otherwise id be buying another JCB. Im very much looking forward to their hydrogen engines to bring back the simplicity that we used to have with diesel. Owned multiple JCB excavators, backhoes, front end loaders, and skid steer. Always heard overwhelmingly positive about Kubota and ill be happy to join the brand soon enough.

 

[Rdrcr]

I believe the L2502 has only minor changes from the L2501, mainly comfort things. There are engine changes that nobody knows a lot about, but they appear to be detail only. @Rdrcr I think has seen one.

The L2501 definitely had no emissions equipment in the sense of DPF or the like, the L2502 likewise. I'm pretty certain that also means no EGR, and I've never heard it mentioned, but I can't be 100% certain.

No EGR on L2502 but, several changes were made to the engine, including a new injection pump. I’d have to look for my previous thread but, I included pictures of the changes between the L2501 vs L2502.

Mike

 

[PaulL]

Im very much looking forward to their hydrogen engines to bring back the simplicity that we used to have with diesel.

I'm not very convinced by hydrogen engines, storing and moving hydrogen is a bit of a pain. If you can make hydrogen you can make methane and therefore you can make liquified natural gas, which is a lot easier to work with and more of a known quantity. I expect a lot of the industry to eventually move towards green liquid fuels, not hydrogen. It'll be interesting to see.

 

[Runs With Scissors]

I can't help it but every time I hear "hydrogen engine" this pops into my head......

 

[GrizBota]

If you don’t need a new tractor, the Grand L 30 and 40 series go all the way up to nearly 60 Hp. The older MX’s get beyond 50 Hp. Both of those get you around the modern emissions stuff. A low hour one of those might do what you need. Still going to run you $25-30k with a FEL, and typically R1’s, but some do have R3’s.

 

[Brush&dirt]

In the process of placing an order for a B2401 and KX033-4. Wasn't even aware of the B2401 model and couldn't pass up the price difference for the same PTO hp. All worked out and no emissions on either engine.