Lift Capacity

[WFM]

I had a customer in this week to pick up supplies and he was headed over to New Hampshire to pick up a new Kioti 25 HP tractor he had bought. I told him my only disappointment of my L3800 is the FEL has a lift capicity of 1000 lbs with the pallet forks and I had the dealer shim the hyd valve/pump for extra lift capicity. He said his new tractor 25 HP will lift 1800 lbs to the top of height it will reach. I thought BS but didn't tell him that. My thought was if the 25 HP would lift 1800 then a 38 HP would lift several hundred more. I haven't taking the time to check the Kioti specs but will.
I did have customer last year who owned a auto parts business. We were talking tractors as he saw mine parked near by , he said after doing research for lift capicity he finally bought a New Holland as the 38 hp would lift 2200 lbs. He claimed the arch of the FEL was part of what gave New Holland the most capicity in a 38 hp tractor.

 

[jimh406]

Kiotis will lift more, but who knows if they are as durable. I dont think so looking at them side by side in comparison videos.

 

[ken erickson]

I had a customer in this week to pick up supplies and he was headed over to New Hampshire to pick up a new Kioti 25 HP tractor he had bought. I told him my only disappointment of my L3800 is the FEL has a lift capicity of 1000 lbs with the pallet forks and I had the dealer shim the hyd valve/pump for extra lift capicity. He said his new tractor 25 HP will lift 1800 lbs to the top of height it will reach. I thought BS but didn't tell him that. My thought was if the 25 HP would lift 1800 then a 38 HP would lift several hundred more. I haven't taking the time to check the Kioti specs but will.
I did have customer last year who owned a auto parts business. We were talking tractors as he saw mine parked near by , he said after doing research for lift capicity he finally bought a New Holland as the 38 hp would lift 2200 lbs. He claimed the arch of the FEL was part of what gave New Holland the most capicity in a 38 hp tractor.

My understanding is that the HP has very little to do with lifting capacity. Lifting capacity is more a function of the physical size and weight of the tractor and the design/geometry of the loader itself. Also the rated PSI operating pressures. Case in point, compare the O1 series Kubota L's. 25hp , 33hp and 39hp. There is very little added lift capacity with the L3301 and L3901 compared to the L2501, all three using the same LA525 loader, even though there is considerable HP increases.

One must also be careful when comparing lifting capacities that it is a apple to apple comparison. At the pivot pins or 500mm out for example. The weight of the ssqa and bucket/forks etc. Maximum height is also a consideration.

Side note; not knowing which 25 HP tractor your customer has but comparing a Kioti CK2610 , which compares favorably to the Kubota L2501. I see the Kioti lifting full height at the pins of 1252 pounds. Loader KL2610. (Tractordata.com)

 

[motionclone]

I have a friend who bought a Kioti specifically because it had a higher lift capacity for same size model .

And i dont mean to rub it in but my kubota powered track loader has a 3000lb rated lift capacity but i have regularly lifted 4000lb pallets and rocks that weigh even more. Tipping weight is 9000lbs.

 

[The Evil Twin]

Not to derail this thread, but....
If I'm trying to lift something with the loader that is too heavy (too deep in a pile of dirt), would the engine bog down or would it just fail to lift the load? It doesn't pick up the rear with loaded tires and 600 lbs of counter weight. It just simply doesn't do anything.

 

[Trapper Bob]

Not to derail this thread, but....
If I'm trying to lift something with the loader that is too heavy (too deep in a pile of dirt), would the engine bog down or would it just fail to lift the load? It doesn't pick up the rear with loaded tires and 600 lbs of counter weight. It just simply doesn't do anything.

Mine too! Hydraulics grown some, but no lift. I assume it is the bypass doing its job to keep me safe & not bend my equipment.

 

[The Evil Twin]

Mine too! Hydraulics grown some, but no lift. I assume it is the bypass doing its job to keep me safe & not bend my equipment.

I guess this time not being special is a good thing!

 

[tacticalturnip]

Well I've got a CK2610 with KL4030C loader, and the manual for said loader lists lift capacity at full height to be 1,969 pounds at the pivot pin. That bit at the end is key; this thing can lift a lot, but you're not about to pick up 1.9k lbs on a pallet. Frankly, I wouldn't want to either, as that's a lot of weight.

 

[mikester]

I had a customer in this week to pick up supplies and he was headed over to New Hampshire to pick up a new Kioti 25 HP tractor he had bought. I told him my only disappointment of my L3800 is the FEL has a lift capicity of 1000 lbs with the pallet forks and I had the dealer shim the hyd valve/pump for extra lift capicity. He said his new tractor 25 HP will lift 1800 lbs to the top of height it will reach. I thought BS but didn't tell him that. My thought was if the 25 HP would lift 1800 then a 38 HP would lift several hundred more. I haven't taking the time to check the Kioti specs but will.
I did have customer last year who owned a auto parts business. We were talking tractors as he saw mine parked near by , he said after doing research for lift capicity he finally bought a New Holland as the 38 hp would lift 2200 lbs. He claimed the arch of the FEL was part of what gave New Holland the most capicity in a 38 hp tractor.

If his 25HP tractor weighs 4,000 to 6,000 lbs then he might be right. Odds are his tractor weighs under 2,000 lbs. Physics suggest odds are NOT in his favour.

Example:
My M59 is pushing 10,000lbs with cab an BH and will lift a 2,000lbs tote on forks to full height 10 feet no problem. I can also drive around in 2WD.

My old TC55DA weighed about 6,500lbs with BH and would struggle to lift that same tote 4 feet. I could barely unload totes from the back of a trailer and I would need 4WD because my rear wheels were light.

Both are similar size machines.

 

[ken erickson]

Well I've got a CK2610 with KL4030C loader, and the manual for said loader lists lift capacity at full height to be 1,969 pounds at the pivot pin. That bit at the end is key; this thing can lift a lot, but you're not about to pick up 1.9k lbs on a pallet. Frankly, I wouldn't want to either, as that's a lot of weight.

Website data has been known to be incorrect at times. Checking with the Kioti website the KL4030C has a lift capacity of 1,969 lbs pivot pins but NOT full height. This spec is at 1520 mm or just a tad under 60 inches. As the loader transitions to the full height that number will drop considerably. Even so KL4030L loader specs are impressive for being mounted on the CK2610!

My L525 loader drops from 1431 lbs at the pin at 1500 mm height to 1082 lbs at full height as an example.

 

[jyoutz]

Website data has been known to be incorrect at times. Checking with the Kioti website the KL4030C has a lift capacity of 1,969 lbs pivot pins but NOT full height. This spec is at 1520 mm or just a tad under 60 inches. As the loader transitions to the full height that number will drop considerably. Even so KL4030L loader specs are impressive for being mounted on the CK2610!

My L525 loader drops from 1431 lbs at the pin at 1500 mm height to 1082 lbs at full height as an example.

How much does that machine weigh? I’m skeptical that 1969# is a practical lifting weight for a light weight tractor.

 

[ken erickson]

How much does that machine weigh? I’m skeptical that 1969# is a practical lifting weight for a light weight tractor.

The CK2610 comes in about 2700 lbs without loader , R4 tires. Real close to the L2501. I tend to agree. I do not feel as if I would like more capacity than my L2501, loaded R4 tires and some rear ballast and LA525 loader is able to muster. I however do tend to be conservative when operating unlike a famous implement maker when testing his new designs to the limit! LOL.

 

[Pawnee]

Horsepower has nothing to do with lift capacity.
More horsepower will lift a load faster though.

 

[jimh406]

I think the point of the Kioti loader rating is to sell tractors. They don't care if you can actually use it all or not. Kubota does a pretty good job at matching components to possible capability. I think the loaders could be a bit stronger. On the other hand, the Grand Ls are available with two different loaders which blows that thought out of the water.

However, the YouTube videos produced by Kubota of Lynchburg seem to show the actual lift capability is more than what Kubota advertises. Here's one example for the L2501.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

One area often overlooked in the 'specs' is the front tire capacity !
The BX23S has tires rated for 700# each, so 1400# total, and that's IF you pump them up to max air pressure rating on the sidewall

 

[RCW]

I have a friend that bought a 26hp Mahindra similar to a B-series Kubota only because it had a rated lift capacity of 1,800 pounds or so.

Told him it might work on paper, but your 1,800 pound tractor won’t lift 1,800 pounds unless the rear axle is anchored to the ground.

My old Moline is about 7,000 pounds and 32hp. Seen my father lift some hellacious loads. Some maybe a ton or more.

More than I would ever attempt. No 3 PH for ballast. Rear wheel weights are 550 pounds each, I think.

Light rear wheels aren’t good on a narrow front end…

He could get a lot out of that machine. Proof that experience is invaluable.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Website data has been known to be incorrect at times. Checking with the Kioti website the KL4030C has a lift capacity of 1,969 lbs pivot pins but NOT full height. This spec is at 1520 mm or just a tad under 60 inches. As the loader transitions to the full height that number will drop considerably. Even so KL4030L loader specs are impressive for being mounted on the CK2610!

My L525 loader drops from 1431 lbs at the pin at 1500 mm height to 1082 lbs at full height as an example.

Not only is the information on the site just a bit off, the CK2610 has had a few different loader options available throughout it's life. Initially it was the underwhelming KL2610, and now the KL4030/KL4030C, which share a name and similar specs but are separate loaders. The CK2610 weighs 2,634 pounds, the loader 690 lbs, and the bucket 250; that's about 3,500 pounds, plus filled front and rear tires, and I keep about 600 pounds on the back.

I've attached the specifications page from the KL4030C manual.

As for 1900 pounds being a practical lifting weight, well no, of course it's not. It's a heavy tractor, but lifting a static weight in ideal conditions is different than flopping through a field with your bucket too high, waiting for your chance to go ass over tit, lol. If I were to guess, I'd put it around 1500 that I've lifted comfortably; really, just use your brain and you'll be fine.

 

[ken erickson]

Not only is the information on the site just a bit off, the CK2610 has had a few different loader options available throughout it's life. Initially it was the underwhelming KL2610, and now the KL4030/KL4030C, which share a name and similar specs but are separate loaders. The CK2610 weighs 2,634 pounds, the loader 690 lbs, and the bucket 250; that's about 3,500 pounds, plus filled front and rear tires, and I keep about 600 pounds on the back.

I've attached the specifications page from the KL4030C manual.

As for 1900 pounds being a practical lifting weight, well no, of course it's not. It's a heavy tractor, but lifting a static weight in ideal conditions is different than flopping through a field with your bucket too high, waiting for your chance to go ass over tit, lol. If I were to guess, I'd put it around 1500 that I've lifted comfortably; really, just use your brain and you'll be fine.

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Not only is the information on the site just a bit off, the CK2610 has had a few different loader options available throughout it's life. Initially it was the underwhelming KL2610, and now the KL4030/KL4030C, which share a name and similar specs but are separate loaders. The CK2610 weighs 2,634 pounds, the loader 690 lbs, and the bucket 250; that's about 3,500 pounds, plus filled front and rear tires, and I keep about 600 pounds on the back.

I've attached the specifications page from the KL4030C manual.

As for 1900 pounds being a practical lifting weight, well no, of course it's not. It's a heavy tractor, but lifting a static weight in ideal conditions is different than flopping through a field with your bucket too high, waiting for your chance to go ass over tit, lol. If I were to guess, I'd put it around 1500 that I've lifted comfortably; really, just use your brain and you'll be fine.

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Thanks for posting a picture of the loader specs! I found the 1,969 lbs pivot pins but NOT full height. This spec is at 1520 mm or just a tad under 60 inches as specified from the Kioti website. kl4030c
The 1,969 lbs figure at full height at the pins is outstanding for sure.

Do you know if the breakout force listed on the Kioti website is accurate for the KL4030 and KL4030c loaders? I find it interesting that the KL4030 has roughly 475 lbs more breakout force than the the KL4030c loader while the Kl4030c has more capacity at full height.

 

[JimDeL]

Horsepower has nothing to do with lift capacity.
More horsepower will lift a load faster though.

It's the hydraulic pressure that controls the lift - not the engine horsepower. The bigger engine CAN run a bigger hydraulic pump though.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Not to derail this thread, but....
If I'm trying to lift something with the loader that is too heavy (too deep in a pile of dirt), would the engine bog down or would it just fail to lift the load? It doesn't pick up the rear with loaded tires and 600 lbs of counter weight. It just simply doesn't do anything.

From my experiences it will depend on the range you're in; running about 2.2k RPM in mid-range I can start to feel the machine bog down and I'll back off, in low-range it'll lift it's own ass end up.

This is while breaking into large snow banks.