We aren't going to make it much longer

[Flintknapper]

Although there are currently no living rainforests in the Arctic, there were millions of years ago. According to new research, the Arctic was a thriving rainforest about 50 million years ago. So there ya go and most of the US was under water,, so things change never the same, our short time on earth is just a blink of an eye in the scheme of things

Present day Sahara Desert was once a green forest. Man had nothing to do with that either and it wasn't all that long ago.

Weather is cyclical....always has been. Does Man's pollution have some effect on the atmosphere....sure. Is THIS the cause of 'Global Warming' and spell the doom of mankind. I have serious doubts...and even less faith in 'scientists' with agendas.

 

[jyoutz]

Present day Sahara Desert was once a green forest. Man had nothing to do with that either and it wasn't all that long ago.

Weather is cyclical....always has been. Does Man's pollution have some effect on the atmosphere....sure. Is THIS the cause of 'Global Warming' and spell the doom of mankind. I have serious doubts...and even less faith in 'scientists' with agendas.

Actually there are plenty of published papers on the role that humans played in exacerbating desertification in the Sahara. Mostly by heavy livestock grazing that stripped the vegetation.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

and last year (?,) there was a show about how raising cattle is RECLAIMING the desert in Africa. it's all about 'balance',slowly turn 'sand' into 'pastures'.
If there weren't 8 BILLION mouths to feed,religous wars, and demigods in power...man and nature could live in harmoney....

 

[fried1765]

something is obviously happening. None of the old timers remember weather like this. The last high tide the ocean threw up all over the shore large timbers trees and boulder 20 ft on shore. The last 6 weeks it has been way warmer and wetter than normal no snow until yesterday and it is melting today with heavy rain and 42 F degrees set again for monday. I just bought a snow plow for my tractor that I really want to dry out --so that may be why. My generation has lived better than any other in history. My wife and I started with nothing and now live better than kings and queens from generations past. But my generation and the ones before it have not been kind to mother. Some get it and understand we have to make changes some still dump waste oil on the gravel drive way to make it hold up better. or burn tires to keep a brush fire going. To each their own i guess.

The view of tires burning in your neighbor's back yard, or oil being spread by your neighbor on his driveway is very myopic.
A MAJOR percentage of our world population cares not one wit about pollution.
Africa and Asia populations cannot even spell their word for pollution.

 

[Flintknapper]

Actually there are plenty of published papers on the role that humans played in exacerbating desertification in the Sahara. Mostly by heavy livestock grazing that stripped the vegetation.

There's a lot of'Hypothesis' out there. So what? There's lot pf people that believe in Bigfoot too and have written about that.

Did humans create the Sahara desert?

New research investigating the transition of the Sahara from a lush, green landscape 10,000 years ago to the arid conditions found today, suggests that humans may have played an active role in its desertification.

www.sciencedaily.com

Plenty to go around either way.

Humans Delayed Formation of Sahara Desert by 500 Years, Scientists Say | The Weather Channel

Previous studies have blamed the decline of the "Green Sahara" on humans, but the new research refutes that. - Articles from The Weather Channel | weather.com

weather.com

Conventional 'science' has pretty much always pointed to Orbital Shift (wobble) as the most convincing reason.

Green Sahara: African Humid Periods Paced by Earth's Orbital Changes

Paleoclimate and archaeological evidence tells us that, 11,000-5,000 years ago, the Earth's slow orbital 'wobble' transformed today's Sahara desert to a land covered with vegetation and lakes.

www.nature.com

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And if we were all to live long enough (thousands of years) we'd likely see similar influences one direction or the other.

 

[RCW]

Not relevant to the thread, but one of our twin daughters was part of a couple JAMA papers. She’s not a medical person, but co-author on a large team of MD’s during COVID.

She also was lead author in a couple other papers in a couple other journals related to neo-natal care and treatment of premature infants.

 

[sheepfarmer]

Regrettably the term global warming has been extrapolated frivolously to individual weather events, which is futile. There is good data (my opinion) showing that ocean temperatures are gradually increasing. There are many many buoys with temperature measuring devices at a range of depths, making a network over all the worlds oceans. They have been out there for long enough to detect an average raise of temperature of a few degrees. So the thermal mass of all that water is showing heating. The currents are affected in different ways as is the weather in particular places, some get more rain some less.

 

[Flintknapper]

Regrettably the term global warming has been extrapolated frivolously to individual weather events, which is futile. There is good data (my opinion) showing that ocean temperatures are gradually increasing. There are many many buoys with temperature measuring devices at a range of depths, making a network over all the worlds oceans. They have been out there for long enough to detect an average raise of temperature of a few degrees. So the thermal mass of all that water is showing heating. The currents are affected in different ways as is the weather in particular places, some get more rain some less.

All true and accurate. The questions remains how much of a role has man played in creating this. Surely 'some'.

Are we unwittingly (or perhaps on purpose) creating a road to our own demise/extinction? I don't see it.

Mother Earth has a way of shedding herself of things detrimental to her existence. In the case of 'Man' I don't see extinction (from man made causes....short of nuclear) happening. A HUGE reduction in population yes! Problem self correcting....(until the Earth repopulates to former numbers).