Removing 17mm Threaded Freeze Plug from Kubota M8200

sjbrady79

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I picked up a block heater from the local Kubota dealer and working on the install. The plug is located on the right side near the oil fill cap. I can't budge it loose with a 1/2" ratchet and small cheater pipe. Can I try an impact wrench or should I just keep adding length to the cheater pipe.

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Have no experience with Kubota coolant drain plugs, but the VW's, John Deere's, Chevrolet's, GMC's, and Nissan's diesel engine plugs have been F*!king tight. I would not use an impact wrench on it. I would try a rust penetrate( I use Kriol) over a few days and a longer cheater pipe. Also wear gloves, safety glasses, and be prepared if something breaks. Also be a good time to drain all the coolant.
 
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It might be that they used Loctite on the threads when it was installed. That means you have to break out your torch and heat up the freeze plug to break the grip. Make sure to use quality tools when working on this, because cheap tools might just break and leave you laying on the ground. I have broken Snap On Sockets trying to get a bolt loose, and heat has always come to my rescue. A good penetration oil such as Deep Creep may also help.
 
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I'd also suggest concentrated heat (after removing the coolant from the area).
Use a can with both ends removed or similar to keep the torch on target and go a bit at a time.
No need to melt down the tractor with flamethrowers!
Patience!
 
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sjbrady79

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Have no experience with Kubota coolant drain plugs, but the VW's, John Deere's, Chevrolet's, GMC's, and Nissan's diesel engine plugs have been F*!king tight. I would not use an impact wrench on it. I would try a rust penetrate( I use Kriol) over a few days and a longer cheater pipe. Also wear gloves, safety glasses, and be prepared if something breaks. Also be a good time to drain all the coolant.
I plan to flush the radiator and put in new fluid as part of the process. I saw one post from someone that finally took their machine to a shop and they used a 6' cheater to remove the plug. I put some penetrating spray on yesterday. I will give that a try over a few days and see what happens. I've heard diesel and ATF at a 50/50 mix works well too.
 

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this could go so wrong, so fast.... just lost a well water pump as the drainplug was impossible to remove...
I agree lots of heat, proper TIGHT fitting socket,6 point NOT 12, 1 quick jerk to try to 'free' it NOT a constant pull(could will chew,round off the 'flats'. If it does move a bit, you've WON, just be patient after that.little off, little on....repeat.
Be careful of ALL wiring in the area !
 
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sjbrady79

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It might be that they used Loctite on the threads when it was installed. That means you have to break out your torch and heat up the freeze plug to break the grip. Make sure to use quality tools when working on this, because cheap tools might just break and leave you laying on the ground. I have broken Snap On Sockets trying to get a bolt loose, and heat has always come to my rescue. A good penetration oil such as Deep Creep may also help.
I like the idea of using a torch but it is a bit tight where the plug is located but not terrible. I would need to remove the oil fill cap and cover that. I could use some type of light shielding as well. If penetrating spray doesn't work as suggested, I will give it a try. Is there anything else I need to be concerned about while using a torch beside draining the block? I have a pretty small torch tip that should be able to keep the heat down to something less than making straight cuts in 3/8 steel plate.
 

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Have no experience with Kubota coolant drain plugs, but the VW's, John Deere's, Chevrolet's, GMC's, and Nissan's diesel engine plugs have been F*!king tight. I would not use an impact wrench on it. I would try a rust penetrate( I use Kriol) over a few days and a longer cheater pipe. Also wear gloves, safety glasses, and be prepared if something breaks. Also be a good time to drain all the coolant.
KROIL!
 
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Use a bigger drive like 3/4" and a longer breaker bar. I use did this on a Cummings and use a 1" drive and it was EZ.
 
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they sell 'micro' propane torches with pinpoint flames, would be far safer, easier to use than oxy-act torches(which I think you have...)
If you use 'real' torches , hand them off to a buddy for safety and have the 'tools' ready

pretty sure there WILL be some form of 'locktite' on the plug,and it'll have to be heated to loosen it up.
 

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I picked up a block heater from the local Kubota dealer and working on the install. The plug is located on the right side near the oil fill cap. I can't budge it loose with a 1/2" ratchet and small cheater pipe. Can I try an impact wrench or should I just keep adding length to the cheater pipe.

Thanks.
Do Not use an impact!!! Brass/brass alloy is pretty soft, and an impact will destroy the head. You are not working with a very big plug so I would do it in two steps. First, I would apply heat to the plug to melt any lock-tite that may have been applied. Then I would let it cool, assuming it is brass to harden. Then I would try to heat the block around the threads to near red, then try to turn the plug while the block is hot. Being a brass plug and dissimilar metals, it can be tricky. Do Not reuse the plug if the head is damaged at all. If you have two people and do not mind blemishing the 6-point socket, have someone applying torque while you heat the block. A healthy snatch can work but it is usually a one or two time try. Steady pressure while things expand has worked best for me. Use the largest socket set you have and all the cheater pipe you can fit.
 

sjbrady79

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Thanks for all of the suggestions from everyone. I was able to break it loose using about a 4 1/2' cheater bar using a 1/2" drive and 17mm hex socket bit. I had to grunt a bit but it finally broke over.
 
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I picked up a block heater from the local Kubota dealer and working on the install. The plug is located on the right side near the oil fill cap. I can't budge it loose with a 1/2" ratchet and small cheater pipe. Can I try an impact wrench or should I just keep adding length to the cheater pipe.

Thanks.
Are you sure it is a freeze plug. You mention in the subject line 17mm threaded. This is normally the block drain size on diesel engines (has been on every diesel I've ever owned. A freeze plug normally is a blank, circular thing put into about a 1 1/2 inch hole in the block. Had one on the old Benz 240D that I had the dealer put a block heater into.
 

sjbrady79

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Are you sure it is a freeze plug. You mention in the subject line 17mm threaded. This is normally the block drain size on diesel engines (has been on every diesel I've ever owned. A freeze plug normally is a blank, circular thing put into about a 1 1/2 inch hole in the block. Had one on the old Benz 240D that I had the dealer put a block heater into.
Yes, it is probably the block drain plug. The Kubota part I got for the block heater was threaded the same size as the block plug. BTW, the part number was 70000-73274, here is the same part on EBay for $60. I paid $100 at the dealer but couldn't figure out the correct part number to look for.

 

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I plan to flush the radiator and put in new fluid as part of the process. I saw one post from someone that finally took their machine to a shop and they used a 6' cheater to remove the plug. I put some penetrating spray on yesterday. I will give that a try over a few days and see what happens. I've heard diesel and ATF at a 50/50 mix works well too.
I just went through the same thing putting in my block heater. I just happened to have an impact grade 17mm hex 1/2" drive socket... have no idea where or when or why I picked it up, That and a good air impact gun did the trick. And yes ... there was some sort of sealant on the threads
 

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Thanks for all of the suggestions from everyone. I was able to break it loose using about a 4 1/2' cheater bar using a 1/2" drive and 17mm hex socket bit. I had to grunt a bit but it finally broke over.
Just to understand completely, so all you did was use the long cheater bar and apply some penetrating fluid a couple days earlier? No heat, etc?
 

sjbrady79

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Just to understand completely, so all you did was use the long cheater bar and apply some penetrating fluid a couple days earlier? No heat, etc?
Hi Henro, that is correct. I really don't think the penetrating fluid did very much either. Applying heat would have been tough right in that area so I am glad it broke free. I did use an impact hex socket bit though.
 
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