G5200 D600 Oil Filter Cross Reference
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I would too and two reasons (OTOH). One, it's designed specifically for your engine. Two, based on the fact that I am in the process of replacing an engine due to a failed Purolator filter (Polaris, but the principle is the same). Customer brought it to us for a rattle. Diagnosed as a failed rod bearing. Removed/disassembled to confirm and the rod and main bearings are gone, crank is shot, cams shot and head damaged--lack of oil. OIl filter is bone dry (has never had oil in it)-but the crankcase has plenty of oil in it, and it's not fresh oil. Since it's within the warranty period, the manufacturer requested samples to confirm and sure enough they took the filter apart to find that it is defective.
Not the first time I've seen it either. I've run into it on my truck but caught it long before it did any damage.
But I understand that if you're in a bind and have to have a filter right now, sometimes it's more convenient. But I don't understand being cheap and/or spiteful--some people just hate dealers.
Not the first time I've seen it either. I've run into it on my truck but caught it long before it did any damage.
But I understand that if you're in a bind and have to have a filter right now, sometimes it's more convenient. But I don't understand being cheap and/or spiteful--some people just hate dealers.
That sounds more like a failed oil pump or perhaps a pump failure to “prime” after an oil-change. It’s difficult to believe that an operating pump would be incapable fo filling the filter with oil.
Loss-of-prime is not uncommon but usually is over-come shortly. I’ve seen it occur on several occasions when I worked as an auto technician. One engine replacement was ruined when the pump was not properly pre-primed by the guy in the next bay, and just last year I witnessed an inline six which had sad for six months fail to pump oil for almost a full minute. I was about to warn the operator when (to my horror) he raced the throttle in an effort to get it to prime…. Luckily that did work and all the clattering quieted-down and the oil press light extinguished.
Who knows what damage that may have occured. (The car was being sold off and the new owner arrived the next day and it started up fine and drove away.)
Anyway, for a filter to be bone dry makes me suspect the pump lost its’ prime …rather than the filter. (Of course, I wasn’t there in the example lugbolt gives and am only being suspicious.)
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I have read that some specific Ford engines will not prime oil pump if allowed to drain more than 15 minutes. Even the manual warns about this and has "special" oil-change instructions to prevent such occurrences.
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It’s good to see Fram provide the design-info in a cross-reference…. I just wish I had confidence they’d meet the quality they portray.
Fram has a tough up-hill climb to make to overcome their bad reputational history. I personally will choose a Walmart SuperTech over a Fram.
Meanwhile, the genuine Kubota filters are actually competitively-priced and that puzzles me as to why it’s so popular for folks to seek some other….
Fram has a tough up-hill climb to make to overcome their bad reputational history. I personally will choose a Walmart SuperTech over a Fram.
Meanwhile, the genuine Kubota filters are actually competitively-priced and that puzzles me as to why it’s so popular for folks to seek some other….
This is not really a fair statement. It depends on which Fram 'line' you choose.
Fram (like other manufactures) has several 'lines' of filters. Nearly every one of their oil filters are available in every line. The numbers remain the same... just the prefix changes.
PH = Tough Gaurd
XG = Xtended Gaurd
XG = Ultra Synthetic
They even offer VERY high grade filters for specialized applications.
You get what you pay for.
Ref==> https://www.fram.com/products/consumer-products/oil-filters/
Sadly their inexpensive line is so bad it should be illegal to sell IMO. Even the cheapest generic Super Tech from Wally World is 50x better than those. This along with the garbage filters you see quick change places putting on vehicles under brand names like Penzoil, Valvoline and such. Leading people to believe these things are decent to good product when they're not.
But yeah the high end Fram is a decent to very good filter and I do use them on occasion.
Seen tons of EX500's and VN500's do it too (Kawasucki), never with an oe filter though. Unscrew the filter, put an oe filter on them, start it and within a second the oil light is out and all is good. Odd indeed.
This Polaris deal has us all bumfuzzled. Polaris requested the engine for their engineering dept's inspection. And the filter that was on it.
Fram
One thing I noticed. The many times I've walked through the junkyards, I'm going out on a limb with the percentages, but you see TONS of fram filters on cars in the yards. Now, that could mean a lot of things. Maybe the engine was ok and it was just wrecked. Maybe the engine expired. Or maybe all those cars are showing signs of insufficient lovin; evidenced by fram filters. Who knows?
The original equipment manufacturer (OEM) has spent how much on sourcing the correct filter for the application? And how much did the aftermarket companies spend for their "equivalent"? And what is equivalent about it? Where are all the specs? Who published the specs and what is there relationship with the oem? Very similar to the Super UDT2 oil wars. You can always tell who either (1) won't/can't drive to the kubota store for some oil or are (2) don't really care about their equipment, rather care about how much money they can save.
Either way, as a former tech, I loved it and hated it (at the same time) when people used aftermarket stuff. Fuel filters specifically. Did a couple standard L's with common rail injection; aftermarket "equivalent" fuel filters, injector failure and supply pump failure. Usually also damages the rail pressure sensor (which is part of the fuel rail). Send it all to Kubota for inspection, they email us "no warranty coverage due to inferior filter allowing contamination into fuel system". $4400 repair in one of them, I forget the other (but that one needed more stuff unrelated to fuel system). $4400 repair, owner saved $10 on a "cross reference" filter. Yes manufacturer can deny the claim because the filter that was used did not filter the fuel to their (and Bosch's) specifications. The fuel system on that tractor was designed and supplied by Bosch, and Bosch gives Kubota a spec for the fuel and more specifically the amount of contaminants allowed in the fuel (ppm)-and micron. When those specs are exceeded due to a filter that won't filter per spec, they'll kick it back. And it's legal. Magnusson-Moss act won't protect you here. If it ever went to a courtroom, you'd understand why. Too many gray areas.
One thing I noticed. The many times I've walked through the junkyards, I'm going out on a limb with the percentages, but you see TONS of fram filters on cars in the yards. Now, that could mean a lot of things. Maybe the engine was ok and it was just wrecked. Maybe the engine expired. Or maybe all those cars are showing signs of insufficient lovin; evidenced by fram filters. Who knows?
The original equipment manufacturer (OEM) has spent how much on sourcing the correct filter for the application? And how much did the aftermarket companies spend for their "equivalent"? And what is equivalent about it? Where are all the specs? Who published the specs and what is there relationship with the oem? Very similar to the Super UDT2 oil wars. You can always tell who either (1) won't/can't drive to the kubota store for some oil or are (2) don't really care about their equipment, rather care about how much money they can save.
Either way, as a former tech, I loved it and hated it (at the same time) when people used aftermarket stuff. Fuel filters specifically. Did a couple standard L's with common rail injection; aftermarket "equivalent" fuel filters, injector failure and supply pump failure. Usually also damages the rail pressure sensor (which is part of the fuel rail). Send it all to Kubota for inspection, they email us "no warranty coverage due to inferior filter allowing contamination into fuel system". $4400 repair in one of them, I forget the other (but that one needed more stuff unrelated to fuel system). $4400 repair, owner saved $10 on a "cross reference" filter. Yes manufacturer can deny the claim because the filter that was used did not filter the fuel to their (and Bosch's) specifications. The fuel system on that tractor was designed and supplied by Bosch, and Bosch gives Kubota a spec for the fuel and more specifically the amount of contaminants allowed in the fuel (ppm)-and micron. When those specs are exceeded due to a filter that won't filter per spec, they'll kick it back. And it's legal. Magnusson-Moss act won't protect you here. If it ever went to a courtroom, you'd understand why. Too many gray areas.
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Bruce…actually it is an ESPECIALLY FAIR statement. I did not disparage them. They’ve done that to themselves…. and part of the proof is the fact which YOU repeated: They have a disparately different line of filters based upon price…some of which can RUIN your engine.
Caveat Emptor on Fram filters.
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Just to add a little something, Kubota, Denso, & Bosch spec a 3-micron fuel filter for common rail systems. Several of the will fit cans on the market that are listed as a direct replacement are 30 to 60 microns. I have found a few customers using them and they will proudly tell you how they saved $6.00 over the Kubota filter but get all misty-eyed when they find that it has cost them about $5,000.
One of the main reasons that Kubota has gotten so strict on fluid sampling is people are using these sub-par after-market parts and expecting Kubota to warranty them.
lugbolt and I have both seen this play out time and time again. People do not like it when facts get in the way of a good story.