Borrowed Wood Chipper

bluedunn

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Hi-

I borrowed a wood chipper recently from a friend. Anyone have any ideas as to the make/model? All I can see is the word “CANADA” stamped on one of the legs.

Also I’d like to replace the belt prior to really using it - it’s quite cracked. Any idea how I might get the belt off of the pulleys? I suppose I could cut it but was hoping to get it off in tact.

Thanks for any help!

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thebicman

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That's the strangest setup I've seen for adjusting a belt. The only way I see to do it would be to loosen all the bolts and then remove two to shift the pulley end over to create slack.
 

Tughill Tom

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That thing looks home made. Your going to have to loosen the bearings on the drive to replace the belt. Good luck with getting it back in alignment.
 

mcfarmall

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Canada appears to be the country of origin for that particular piece of steel. If there's one thing I've learned in my 30 years of machine repair experience it is NEVER cut off an old belt, EVER! You can cut it after the new one is installed and operating successfully.
 
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JimmyJazz

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I feel burning woody debris is far preferable. That contraption is more work than its worth. Also more dangerous and less delightful than the open controlled fire / Budweiser combination.
 
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torch

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That "Canada" looks hand-stamped. Too oversized for country of origin stamp on the raw steel. But I agree that the frame looks like a home-made adaptation to convert a stand-alone chipper into a 3ph mounted unit. Maybe a limited-production run from a small welding shop that was exported to the US as a one-off?
 

jajiu

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Hi-

I borrowed a wood chipper recently from a friend. Anyone have any ideas as to the make/model? All I can see is the word “CANADA” stamped on one of the legs.

Also I’d like to replace the belt prior to really using it - it’s quite cracked. Any idea how I might get the belt off of the pulleys? I suppose I could cut it but was hoping to get it off in tact.

Thanks for any help!

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That top pully looks like some that I had to deal with in the past. It is an adjustable pully and I had nothing but problems adjusting them as well as trying to get them off the motors they were on.
 

tinkerwitheverything

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Your going to have to loosen maybe remove, the 4 bolts holding the pillow blocks onto the frame. From what I can see it looks like there might be slots in the frame to allow the pillow blocks to slide either way. One way it will loosen the belt the other it will tighten the belt. As far as alignment of the belt just look at where it looks the straightest. A belt doesn't have to be 100% true to work. Doesn't look like a problem to me. As for the make I have no idea.
 

skeets

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Yeah well I think were it me, I would take it back and say thank you but it wont do what I want ,or I changed my mind about chipping
 

Ol'MacDonald

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It appears that the large pully and shaft are cantilevered off the two pillow blocks (bearing assemblies.) There is no need to remove the bearings for the belt removal.

I would take a long rag, something t-shirt sized but not too thick, loop it through the belt, hold with both hands, and gently pull the rag and belt axially (pick the easiest axial direction) as you roll the belt and rag onto the pully. This will cause the belt to jump the groove on the large pully.

Keep your fingers clear of the pully when you do this and watch your knuckles. The friction of the rag on the belt will usually roll the machine over.

A replacement belt can sized a bit smaller if necessary. Ask yourself if the tension is correct or not with the old belt and make your decision.

You can use a bit of dish soap to lubricate a new belt and roll the belt back on without the rag. Install the new belt on the small pully and guide it into the large pully's groove by manually turning the large pully. Check your belt tension and make necessary adjustments. Again, watch your fingers.

On a side note, belts are usually not expensive so I would purchase several sizes near the original so there is no need to keep going back to the supplier to get the correct fit, if you are not sure.

Good luck!
 

Yooper

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Canada is where the square tube was made. I used to see that back in the 90’s quite a bit. Now they just paint it on.

See if you can find a number imprinted on the belt. Sometimes it will tell you the size of the belt: something like A310 which means it is an ‘A‘ width (have to look that up) x 31” long. McMaster Carr has about every belt there is and are the easiest company to deal with
 

Old_Paint

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The top pulley looks like the tensioner, but I'd like more close-up photos to make sure. VW used a similar method for belt tightening on the old air-cooled engines. The generator/alternator (depending on year model) had a pack of shims that was divided inside and outside the sheaves of the pulley. If you wanted more tension on the belt, you took off the nut on the shaft, removed the outer sheave, took out some shims, then reassembled with the shims on the outside under the bell washer. If a new belt was too tight, you put some of the shims between the two sheaves of the pulley. There was a fine line between destroying the generator bearings and a flapping belt.

There's no such thing as a chipper that isn't dangerous, unless it's one that won't run. That one looks pretty safe at the moment. The dangers can be mitigated (some) by wearing appropriate PPE and being very aware of the rotating hazards and flying debris. The FIRST modification I'd make to it is a guard for the belt/pulleys. Those are a little too open. Use some sheet metal or hardware cloth to keep the debris from the machine out of the belt. One good chunk in the sheaves, and you've got a broken belt, if not a bearing or sheave.

Don't let the nay-sayers sway your intent, but do educate yourself on that machine. What I see looks more like a shredder with the dual infeed hoppers. That's going to pulverize anything you put in it, not make chips for wood burning stove fuel. That's designed to make mulch, fine mulch. I bet you'll find flails on the flywheel and a baffle in the outlet chute. Removing both the flails and the baffle might net you some decent sized chips better suited for wood fuel, but typically the knives on a shredder are also designed to take off thinner cuts for the very purpose of shredding the material. Fine material is only good if you have forced draft combustion (like a bark boiler in a paper mill), otherwise, it just smolders.

As for the belt issue, the top pulley looks like the belt tensioner. It appears to actually be what is called a variable pitch sheave, which was actually designed for speed adjustment, but can also be used for just making the pulley look like it's larger, thus tightening the belt. The bolt arrangement suggests that to me. They look as if they're for adjusting the gap between the two halves of the pully, which effectively does the same thing as VW's belt tensioning design from the 1930's. It worked beautifully for 40+ years on every air-cooled VW engine. I've seen similar technique on other machines. If you take those pillow blocks loose for a new belt, you're going to be very disappointed/frustrated trying to get the bolts back in them. Think about it, every belt has to be tensioned. I see no vertical slots to move the two shafts closer together, so the only other way is to make one of the pulleys smaller in diameter. The old belt will be stretched and the cracks allow even more stretch. I'd guess that belt's probably at least an inch longer or more than it was new. Any decent automotive parts store can size that belt for you. Get the next size smaller to accommodate stretch of the new belt, but be prepared to go back up one size. Buy yourself a case of PB Blaster, WD-40, whatever your favorite penetrant is, and start working on that top pully to free it up. It'll be obvious how it works once you do. Noting the large pully on the primary shaft, measure that diameter, and then the diameter of the smaller one. Divide the larger number by the smaller, and it will give you the approximate 'gear' ratio of the speed increase. Most rear PTO's run about 540 RPM. That at a glance is about a 2-1 diameter, meaning the flywheel will turn about 1000 RPM. I'd do my best to stay within a couple hundred RPM of 1000 on the flywheel for best performance and safety. If there's no nameplate with ratings, better to err on the side caution. Find someone with a hand-held tach to check the speed, but be EXTREMELY cautious around that drive line. However, I wouldn't even dream of spinning that thing any faster than I could with my hands until I verified the condition of everything in it.

If you want to talk more about what to check and do to that machine, keep the thread open, because what I see is a machine that will be useful, even if not for what you actually wanted. If you're new to chippers, get LOTS of education about them. They're dangerous, and can't be anything but dangerous. You're gonna get your share of nay-sayers, but there are some old-timers in here that can probably remember much more primitive equipment than that, and give you very solid advice about the safety enhancements as well as performance of the machine. It can be run safely, but that doesn't make it less dangerous. Sounds like an oxymoron, but it actually says your safety is your responsibility. Take it very seriously.
 
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NCL4701

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So far as changing the belt, appears that’s been adequately covered. Make/model; I’d have to agree it looks like a stand alone chipper/shredder that has been modded to run off a PTO.

I rarely say anything about safety and you didn’t ask so feel free to stop reading now. This is in no way intended to be preachy or condescending. You may well have far more hours on a chipper than I do. I have operated a variety of chippers over the past few decades. One thing with that unit that would concern me as an operator is there doesn’t appear to be any sort of emergency stop. If a branch is feeding in and you or your clothing get tangled in it or hooked on it, you’re in a fight for your life with your tractor. Aware you have a relatively small tractor but still likely you’ll lose.

If you do use it, suggest considering throwing stuff in it so you’re clear of it before the chipper grabs it. If you’re still in contact with the branch when the chipper grabs it, maybe not a great idea.
 
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