Help upgrading dynamo to alternator

TigerMike

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I'm new to the site, but not new to kubota. I have two G1800's (one's my dad's he bought new in 1999, and one I bought used just a few weeks ago.) I want to upgrade one of these to an alternator based system and read on here on a post that someone did this in 2017 (but did not give any details, part numbers, etc) and am asking for your help. I've heard of two "kits" but am not sure if either of them would work (even with a little modding) on my D662 engine. The two kits I've heard of are B7311 and B7324. Would either of these work, or is there another that could be recommended for this application.

Any help would be appreciated greatly!
 

Roadworthy

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I can't help but offer some food for thought. Whatever you get, you'll probably need to replace the voltage regulator as well. Some alternators have an internal voltage regulator. With others it's external.
 

TigerMike

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I can't help but offer some food for thought. Whatever you get, you'll probably need to replace the voltage regulator as well. Some alternators have an internal voltage regulator. With others it's external.
Roadworthy, thanks for the first reply!

I was hoping that the new alternator would have an internal regulator as those listed above does.

Here's a link to one of the kits:
and the other:


Has anyone installed one of these? OR is there another kit that is better for my application?
 

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Check their return policies. If you can return it for a refund order one and see if it fits. If the dimensions and hardware are complete you should be good to go.
 

Pau7220

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is there another kit that is better for my application?
I have done many of these conversions on other equipment with butchered wiring and external regulators. Too simple to consider anything else. Many choices on brand and size. Order them by dimensions. The auto zones, etc also carry single wire alternators but I believe they're based on the larger GM units. I used one of those on a Lull forklift.
 
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Kubota had a kit to upgrade the BX22/1800/2200 tractors back in the early 2000's. It was very simple, remove the original dynamo, and bolt this into its place. No modifications other than a bolt on brace. Used the same belt, and it was internally regulated. It might still be available as a service part. I think that I have the old dynamo in the "kit" box, and if I do, I will post the kit part number.
 
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Kubota had a kit to upgrade the BX22/1800/2200 tractors back in the early 2000's. It was very simple, remove the original dynamo, and bolt this into its place. No modifications other than a bolt on brace. Used the same belt, and it was internally regulated. It might still be available as a service part. I think that I have the old dynamo in the "kit" box, and if I do, I will post the kit part number.
BX kit
 

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yeah I did it on my old G1900 (same mower)

I used an alternator from a BX2360. Internal regulator. Make sure to get the spacer! There is a spacer between the bottom alternator bolt and the block and that is required or the belt won't line up. You'll also have to get the upper adjusting bracket.

wiring is mostly simple if you have any knowledge and have a wiring diagram.

it doesn't just bolt directly on. Well the alternator does in fact bolt directly to the block/head but that's where the "bolt on" ends. You still have to address the wiring. The Dynamo puts out I think 15A, and the wiring is designed for 15A charging. The alternators put out close to 40A (maximum) and when you put 40A through wiring that's designed for 15A you are GOING to have trouble (guaranteed). So what you have to do is run another charge wire from the back of the alternator, through a 50A slow-blow fuse, to the starter. Then disable to original regulator's charging wire (red IIRC), Then you have to change the wiring up on the original regulator, and add a couple wires to the alternator from the original regulator so that the charge lamp works and the alternator's sensing circuit works properly, as well as does away with the factory poor wring to the original regulator. You won't want to have hot wires just hanging out under the dash where the regulator was.

Most of the internally regulator alternators have a total of 3 connections. One is the big terminal (charge wire). Then two spades, one is for the charge lamp in the dash and the other is the voltage sensing, basically it senses system voltage and the internal regulator will adjust it's output accordingly.

also make darn sure to address the grounds. There is a ground from the battery negative to the frame. Remove it and clean it really good. Maybe better to just replace the cable if it's in bad shape. Then there is a smaller jumper wire between the block and the frame. Remove that wire and replace it with a minimum 10ga wire (I used 8ga because I had it). That one is important. The alternator will not work unless it's grounded to the block, which needs to be grounded to the frame since the engine is mounted on rubber mounts. Failure to properly ground the engine to the frame can damage the engine internally. Electricity--regardless of whether it's ground or hot side--is going to take the path of least resistance. If that's through the crankshaft and bearings, that's what it's gonna do. I've seen it happen.

For this reason, if you dont' have much DC electrical knowledge, it's best to just leave the dynamo on it. They work fine, they are stupid simple easy to repair when (if?) the bearings ever go bad, dirt cheap, not in the way of things (much smaller than the internal regulated alternator), and they don't need any wiring modifications unless there is a problem, at that point you just repair what you have (cheaper). The ONLY advantage to alternator is that it is slightly more efficient and will charge a little better at low engine RPM, which again isn't a huge deal since the electrical system on the old G series doesn't need much amperage to run it.
 
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TigerMike

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I was thinking that I'd run a new heavy duty #8 wire with a 50 amp slo-blow fuse directly to the battery (positive side of circuit), as well as a #8 wire directly from the battery(negative side) to the alternator mounting bolts to ensure that the power is directly going to the battery, and then wire the other two wires on the alternator as necessary. Now, if that idea isn't a good one, someone please explain why so I can learn...I'm never too old to learn something new! I've been an electrician for 30 years, and been around farming all my life, but have been mostly familiar with working on older deere machines on my family's farm. Thanks to all for all of your help and being so kind on this NOOB's first question!
 

TigerMike

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Kubota had a kit to upgrade the BX22/1800/2200 tractors back in the early 2000's. It was very simple, remove the original dynamo, and bolt this into its place. No modifications other than a bolt on brace. Used the same belt, and it was internally regulated. It might still be available as a service part. I think that I have the old dynamo in the "kit" box, and if I do, I will post the kit part number.
If you find it, please share. Both Coleman's and Messnicks have written me back and said their computers don't show a kit, but we all know how ignorant most "counter jockeys" are!
 

TigerMike

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yeah I did it on my old G1900 (same mower)

I used an alternator from a BX2360. Internal regulator. Make sure to get the spacer! There is a spacer between the bottom alternator bolt and the block and that is required or the belt won't line up. You'll also have to get the upper adjusting bracket.
So, is the spacer and the upper bracket the same one used in the BX2360?

I do need more low rpm charging because I am using it to run my electrically operated spray system, as well as multiple lights and an inverter/box fan to keep some of this Louisiana humidity from getting me too hot. The fan is my "poor man's A/C" LOL
 

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So, is the spacer and the upper bracket the same one used in the BX2360?

I do need more low rpm charging because I am using it to run my electrically operated spray system, as well as multiple lights and an inverter/box fan to keep some of this Louisiana humidity from getting me too hot. The fan is my "poor man's A/C" LOL
when your ready to scrap the inverter, a 12v radiator fan really moves some air
 
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DustyRusty

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If you find it, please share. Both Coleman's and Messnicks have written me back and said their computers don't show a kit, but we all know how ignorant most "counter jockeys" are!
eserv posted it in the post #7... I just checked the Messicks website, and it is part number K2561-98620 . $345.15, and from memory, in 2003 or 4, it was like $85.
 
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