Ballast, Chains or Both

Dwight Bremer

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In the warm part of the year I figure the bh will make good ballast for fel work and not get in the way (too much). So, I am mostly concerned with winter traction without adding a lot of weight.

Will be using the front snow blower on our paved driveway/parking area. Also need to blow snow on a path down to the drive-on location for the pond (ice fishing access). This path is fairly long and steep. Also it is mostly grass/alfalfa that I will mow before winter. There will also be snow blowing needed on the pond itself for additional access. Clearing snow to allow sun penetration to improve winter water quality (for the fish and critters living down there) is also probable.

Any recommendations/discussion on this is welcome and appreciated.
 

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Chains can be hard on a nice driveway, so consider that. While not an orange tractor for snow work, I use turf tires with rubber tire chains and they work nearly as well as steel. I don't know if rubber chains are made in your size.
 

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In the warm part of the year I figure the bh will make good ballast for fel work and not get in the way (too much). So, I am mostly concerned with winter traction without adding a lot of weight.

Will be using the front snow blower on our paved driveway/parking area. Also need to blow snow on a path down to the drive-on location for the pond (ice fishing access). This path is fairly long and steep. Also it is mostly grass/alfalfa that I will mow before winter. There will also be snow blowing needed on the pond itself for additional access. Clearing snow to allow sun penetration to improve winter water quality (for the fish and critters living down there) is also probable.

Any recommendations/discussion on this is welcome and appreciated.
Chains help on ice. Ballast does not.

Assuming that you expect very thick ice in order to take a TLB thereon???

SDT
 

torch

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Clearing pond/lake ice can get -- interesting.

There is the whole issue about the thickness of the ice, of course. And by that, I mean the solid, clear ice, not the frozen slush (which is full of entrained air). What often happens is that the surface starts to freeze and then snow starts accumulating on top. Or sometimes, the surface is not yet frozen, but a significant snow falls, floats on top and then the bottom slushy layer freezes. 5" or 6" of clear blue ice will safely support a tractor. 5" or 6" of frozen slush will not. Simply drilling down will not tell you what kind of ice is present, you need a core sample. I use a chainsaw to hack out a block and check the layers.

If there are springs, a bubbler or other running water in your pond you may have thin spots. Bubblers are particularly concerning, because the bubbles can travel hundreds of feet under the ice. A number of snowmobilers have been killed well off-shore where a dock bubbler installation thinned the ice.

Ice itself is plastic. Floating plastic. It will form a dome where you have cleared as the weight of the snow pushes down on the parts you haven't cleared. Some of that uncleared snow will be that which fell there naturally, some will be what you relocated there with the snowblower. That can lead to thin ice in the centre of your rink, if a bubbler is present.

Not only is the snow weighing down the ice, it is also insulating the ice, preventing it from freezing deeper and thicker. This can lead to a hidden and unexpected layer of slush between the ice and the snow that wasn't there before the latest storm, as the weight forces the ice down and water comes up through cracks and around the edges to penetrate the boundary layer. Not only does slush not blow particularly well, tending to freeze in the chute, but if your tractor hits that and gets stuck, you have a limited amount of time to get that tractor out of there before it freezes in place. Not a good place for your tractor to be next spring when things thaw out again! So go slow and have a recovery plan in place, just in case...

That layer of water can eventually seep to your cleared rink, ruining the surface. Stomping down the snow around the outside of the rink -- even with snowshoes -- destroys the insulation value of the snow under your footprints. This can help freeze that creeping layer to form a barrier around your rink and help preserve it. Just think how deer tracks become raised bumps in the spring when things are thawing.

Speaking of the spring thaw, get off and stay off once the temps start fluctuating above and below freezing regularly. The cycles cause the ice to crystalize into vertical channels making formerly strong ice weak.

I've been blowing a rink off for the kids (and now grandkids) for many, many years. It can be done, but avoid my mistakes!

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torch

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Oh, and to answer your original question: I use turf tires. Chains make a real mess of the skating surface. Ag tires aren't much better. The pressure makes snow stick to ice and leaves the pattern behind. Turfs excert the least pressure and leave the easiest tracks to clean up after to smooth the surface.
 

Dwight Bremer

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Clearing pond/lake ice can get -- interesting.
I did a research project over 5 years on our pond. I attached the article that appeared in Pond Boss Magazine. The last graph shows the ice thickness during those 5 years. Most years we exceed 20 inches of good clear ice. I limit vehicle access to the pond; 8 inches minimum for our Mule. 12 inches minimum for trucks (and now tractors), and our Ice Castle. Maybe conservative, but better than an icy swim on a -10F day!
 

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torch

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Sounds like you are on top of things then.
 

Dwight Bremer

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Sounds like you are on top of things then.
I see you live in Canada. Do you ever do any ice fishing? I imagine your ice gets 20" plus often?

It is supposed to be 38 F here tonight. We are going on a Fishing trip next week a couple hundred miles north of here and the forecast is high 80s F.

Some say Minnesotan's are versatile and hearty individuals because of the weather. Some say otherwise!:D
 

torch

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It snowed just south of here this morning. A couple of inches in places. Earlier in the week temps were 30°C (~90°F) or more. Meh. Welcome to Canada; if you don't like the weather, wait 5 minutes.

Winter lows are often -30° to -40°C. I've seen over 35" of ice in front of my place (had to use the big chainsaw for that one!) At the same time, the ice in my boathouse is rarely over 1" thick, due to the spring inside and I've seen open water after 6 or 8 weeks of sub-zero weather elsewhere. Lots of springs feeding this lake.

I've done just enough ice fishing to say I've done it. I'm more into skating, skiing and snowmobiling. Easier to keep warm when I'm moving!
 

Dwight Bremer

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It snowed just south of here this morning. A couple of inches in places. Earlier in the week temps were 30°C (~90°F) or more. Meh. Welcome to Canada; if you don't like the weather, wait 5 minutes.

Winter lows are often -30° to -40°C. I've seen over 35" of ice in front of my place (had to use the big chainsaw for that one!) At the same time, the ice in my boathouse is rarely over 1" thick, due to the spring inside and I've seen open water after 6 or 8 weeks of sub-zero weather elsewhere. Lots of springs feeding this lake.

I've done just enough ice fishing to say I've done it. I'm more into skating, skiing and snowmobiling. Easier to keep warm when I'm moving!
An Ice Castle is heated. Makes ice fishing almost a warm weather sport!
 

torch

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Fishing: putt slowly around the shoreline in the old mahogany runabout, trolling a line over the side. If you catch something (weeds, fish, whatever), reel in the line, remove, and throw it back in the water. If you snag a log and lose the lure, you are done for the night. Go to Canadian Tire tomorrow and buy another lure so you can do it again another day.

The only ice required will be found in the bottom of your glass.
 

Dwight Bremer

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I totally understand the ice in the glass.:)

In the summer when Gail and I go on a fishing trip (somewhere other than here) she has 4 rods and reels and I have 5 in our Lund boat. We have another 5 in the cabin in case something goes wrong.

When we fish our pond we limit ourselves to 3 rod and reels each on our multi-purpose barge.

Fishing is a good thing no matter how you go about it! :cool:
 

Dwight Bremer

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Ended up buying 2 link ladder chains for all four corners. These are twisted link. There are no v bars on other enhancements to rip up the place. The chains along with the Titan Cat2 big ballast box on the back should make me invincible on ice and snow.
I have a backup plan if invincibility fails me. :D
 
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Ended up buying 2 link ladder chains for all four corners. These are twisted link. There are no v bars on other enhancements to rip up the place. The chains along with the Titan Cat2 big ballast box on the back should make me invincible on ice and snow.
I have a backup plan if invincibility fails me. :D
I use 2 link ladder chains (F & R) with my B1750 and B3350 for snow removal on asphalt.

No asphalt damage (assuming a modicum of common sense) but they will do a number on the sealant.

SDT
 

Dwight Bremer

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I figure 1010 pounds of concrete plus the box itself at 190 equals 1200 pounds ( did that in my head, not on my adding machine). That will leave enough head space for my tackle box and there are also the built in fishing rod tubes.:rolleyes:
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