BX23S loader limit

[GreensvilleJay]

OK..went to move some patio stones yesterday. These are 24x30 so 100# each. Have an HLA 900# pallet fork SSQA on the BX23S. It will NOT lift 4 of them, even at 3000RPM.
According to the manual it 'should' lift 700# and there's NO way the pallet stuff weight 300#.....
Can anyone say what they can lift ?
thanks
Jay

 

[Dave_eng]

Do you have the WSM?

If so pages I-22 & I-23 lay out the capacity of the FEL in great detail.

Clearly there are two different FEL's on BX23's. LA340 & LA340S and their lifting capacities are not the same.

One has a greater capacity at ground level while the other has greater capacity at height.

For comparison:
At ground level:

LA340 measured at the pivot pin can lift 1,407# but move the load forward 500mm and the capacity drops to 986#

LA340S 1,286# & 901#

At max height the numbers are:

LA 340 739# at pivot and 509# 500 mm forward
LA340S 613# & 423# at 500 mm forward

As the load moves forward of the bucket pivot the lifting ability drops substantially.

Dave

 

[GreensvilleJay]

Kub Cda just got back to me...
pallet forks weigh 200#, 400# stones, 40# skid....650#, 700# lift limit...
sigh, can only really lift 300# ( 3 stones).
So now I gotta get the D-14 out...it's carryall will lift 1000# easily....
I'm used to forklift specs where lift # is 24" from the mast. Oh well, sunny but cold day.....still need to move 'stuff'....
thanks
Jay

 

[Cfrazer]

Are you saying you can't lift them at all or just not full height? If you can't lift them at all maybe you should check the hydraulic pressure, might have to boost it up a little. Ive lifted my 450 lb grader scraper to about 4 feet high with my BX2670 and my pallet forks weigh 162lbs and quick attach 50lbs.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

Only kinda lifted ,maybe 3". The 700# rating is at the loader frame, capacity drops off further away. I'm used to forklift specs, xxxx# @ 24". My forklift is rated at 5000#, 24" away from mast.
Now it 'might' be able to lift/carry them IF I'd stacked them vertically against the backplate of the frame,so the 400#s is 8". At almost 70, 100# patio stones aren't fun anymore.....
The forks are 36", so usually the loads are 18" away from the frame. THAT should be the 'rating'..oh well, live and learn.
Jay

 

[ipz2222]

Who ever picks up anything at the "pin" ?? You would have to remove the bucket or forks and hang a rope or chain around your weight. Those #'s are like mpg for cars. Manufactures put #'s that are created in ideal circumstances, not real world. What you can lift is always less than what you think you can.

 

[GeoHorn]

Who ever picks up anything at the "pin" ?? You would have to remove the bucket or forks and hang a rope or chain around your weight. Those #'s are like mpg for cars. Manufactures put #'s that are created in ideal circumstances, not real world. What you can lift is always less than what you think you can.

If YOU were making FELs... how would YOU tell your consumer what your FEL could lift? FELs lift AT their pins. If you stick a bucket onto the pins... or if you add a Quick-Hitch that weighs 250 lbs... you’ve got to add that weight to the total Load you intend to lift.

On the other hand, if you have hooks on top of your bucket that is rolled-back to where the hooks are OVER the pins...then that will be capable of lifting more using chains than if the bucket is rolled forward.
If you have forks, then where you place the load on the forks (close in...or far out) will affect it also.

Some FEL data is published at distances forward of the pins. My FEL Owners Manual ...(YES! FELs often have their own manuals)...list’s that distance/capability at 24” and 36” forward of the pins.

 

[lugbolt]

Yep.

Certain loader lists it's lifting capacity at the pin of 1050 lbs.

Add a bucket that weighs 150 lbs, now your lifting capacity drops to 900, if the load is in the very back of the bucket.

Add SSQA with bucket, immediately drop about 225-250 lbs off of your lifting capacity. SSQA moves the bucket forward (drops capacity) and the SSQA itself has some weight (on the machine I'm thinking of, the SSQA weighs about 70 lbs or so). 750lbs is about all they're gonna lift with SSQA and standard duty 60" bucket. Take the bucket off and put bale spear on to move bales, spear is a little lighter (by about 50 lbs or so) than the bucket but a round bale is going to be 1000 lbs, give or take, if it's loosely wrapped and bone dry. Owner pushes into it, lifts, it moves up about 2 inches, stops, back of tractor gets real light, then I get a phone call...why won't this blankety blank pile of steaming fecal matter that I paid $25,000 for lift what it's supposed to?

--I hear it all the time.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

even though the sticker says LA340, the make/model/barcode sticker says LA340S.... so max lift is 600# NOT 700# at that's AT the loader frame...
poof .. there goes one patio stone....
as dave_eng points out... it's only good for 400# , 1.5' from frame....
That explains why I can't lift 400# of patio stones, on a 40# skid, with my 200# forks attached to my 150# SSQA.......
numbers.....

Too bad they don't spek them like forklifts..... xxxx# @ 24"...which seems to be an industry standard rating.

oh well life goes on.....

 

[mikester]

Who ever picks up anything at the "pin" ?? You would have to remove the bucket or forks and hang a rope or chain around your weight. Those #'s are like mpg for cars. Manufactures put #'s that are created in ideal circumstances, not real world. What you can lift is always less than what you think you can.

Its a conspiracy run by all tractor and equipment manufacturers.

They build tiny little machines that LOOK LIKE the big boys giving owners the impression that their little machines can lift the same weights and do the same work with the same cycle times as the big machines. Then these owners get smacked in the foreheads by something call Physics which forces them to

1. go whine on the internet how company XYZ screwed them or scams people by utilizing confusing technical jargon that only nerds understand

OR

2. scour user groups for magic foo foo solutions like adding shims or painting flames on their hoods

OR

3. run out and impulsively buy another machine thats only slightly bigger in the hopes it will do the job.

Manufacturers are slyly working the odds, theres a 1 in 3 chance they get to sell a new machine. The circle of life is complete.

 

[GeoHorn]

even though the sticker says LA340, the make/model/barcode sticker says LA340S.... so max lift is 600# NOT 700# at that's AT the loader frame...
poof .. there goes one patio stone....
as dave_eng points out... it's only good for 400# , 1.5' from frame....
That explains why I can't lift 400# of patio stones, on a 40# skid, with my 200# forks attached to my 150# SSQA.......
numbers.....

Too bad they don't spek them like forklifts..... xxxx# @ 24"...which seems to be an industry standard rating.

oh well life goes on.....

“Industry standard” for tractor FELs is at the pin. How much your attached tool weighs is up to individual items. Is yours a 270# construction bucket or a 420# earthmover bucket? Are your forks 36” or 48”..??
If you can’t specify the attached tool then how can you specify capacity at 24”?

 

[beex]

this is why on a bx I wouldn’t go with SSQA and pallet forks, not enough capacity to do much. The load on pallet forks is too far forward. If you need to carry much stuff on pallet forks, you need a bigger machine. With no SSQA and a bucket the BX can do lots of stuff, moving dirt, mulch ...


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[miketrock]

Do any of you check your hydro pressure to make sure it didn't drop over time. You can add shims to the pressure relief valve to bring it back up to factory specs or a little higher for better Hydro performance. Factory for a BX is supposed to be around 1850psi but since its a spring it weakens over time and will open too easy at lower psi than factory specs. Some guys take it to just below 2000psi with noticeable improvement. One guys was really low at 1600psi, he fixed that real quick. Only takes like 10 -15 minutes. You can get a kit with pressure guage and shims at bxpanded.

 

[beex]

Do any of you check your hydro pressure to make sure it didn't drop over time. You can add shims to the pressure relief valve to bring it back up to factory specs or a little higher for better Hydro performance. Factory for a BX is supposed to be around 1850psi but since its a spring it weakens over time and will open too easy at lower psi than factory specs. Some guys take it to just below 2000psi with noticeable improvement. One guys was really low at 1600psi, he fixed that real quick. Only takes like 10 -15 minutes. You can get a kit with pressure guage and shims at bxpanded.

I bought the kit and tweaked mine from the low end of spec range back to the middle of the range. I wouldn’t go above spec. I’m sure there’s a good reason the spec is what it is. I don’t know what the weakest link is, but, I have have heard of folks going over spec and springing leaks.


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[GreensvilleJay]

I'm just disapointed at the real world 400# limit, though I understand the math. Guess I spoiled that my 55 year old D14 will lift 3400#...
Really it was quicker to flip the SSQA attachments than toss fork on the D14, but from now on, I'l use the D14.
Wouldn't have thought a 24by30 patio stone weighs 100#.... they seemed a lot lighter 30 years ago...

 

[William1]

I have a fools proof way. I try to pick something up. If my tractor cannot do it, it is not the tractors problem, it is the size of the load. So I reduce the size of the load. I do not spend the time to weigh things before I pick them up, I've found that takes too long. Plus my wife does not like to see rocks stacked on her bathroom scale.

 

[Henro]

Wouldn't have thought a 24by30 patio stone weighs 100#.... they seemed a lot lighter 30 years ago...

You too, eh?

When I built my house I used to carry a 4x8 drywall sheet up a ten foot step ladder, and hold it in place on the sloped ceiling with my head as I hammered in drywall nails (don't think screws were used back then).

No more...not even close...

 

[34by151]

Who ever picks up anything at the "pin" ??

I guess I do or close to it but I have a Kubota 4in1 bucket.
I have shackle mounts on the inside top edge of the bucket. So when I open the bucket and pass the chains though the hole I'm lifting from the pins.
When its close to not doing the lift I can often get just enough by fully opening the bucket. This puts most of the bucket weight behind the pins. Also taking up the strain and curling the bucket back often does it by shorting the chain and fully moving the bucket weight behind the pins

 

[GreensvilleJay]

hmm..'lifting at the pin'...
there's just something 'wrong' about lifting then carrying a 400-700# thing on a chain 1,234 feet over lumpy ,bumpy fields....
call me crazy, but ,well, it don't seem SAFE !
any load ,especially heavy, awkward ones should be secure in a bucket or on forks NOT swinging in the breeze....
the 4in1 bucket must be a downunder item..I'd like to have one...sigh...

 

[GeoHorn]

If you are a mfr’r or a salesman... a customer will want to know the capability of the equipment.... So what other location would you use other than the pin? (Or as in some cases, specifying a point ‘forward’ of the pin, such as “24” forward of the pin”.... the point being, the PIN is the COMMON point which can be described on all loaders. There is no other convenient comparison point... so there’s little basis to continue to bemoan the industry standard because there’s no better one to use.