B7800 HST fluid overfilled, experienced issues in low and mid gear

JKing

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There is a lot of debate surrounding the risks of overfilling a hydrostatic transmission, so I'm sharing my experience with this (already solved) on a Kubota B7800.

Despite removing every single drain plug, both filters, and the strainer, 3.5 gallons (13.2 liters) of new fluid put me over the top mark on the dip stick by more than an inch. The manual lists the fluid capacity as 15.3 quarts (14.5 liters).

I let it idle for a while, worked the steering lock-to-lock, then all of the FEL and 3PH controls to work any air out, but the indicated level remained more than an inch above the top mark on the stick. I thought maybe it would take more time operating the tractor for the fluid to settle in, so I drove back to the other side of my property and started using a finish mower.

After mowing at proper engine RPM for about five minutes (mid-gear but with the pedal only halfway down) the tractor seemed to be slower than usual, as if the brakes were engaged. I bumped the transmission down to low gear and that also seemed unusually slow. Then I tried high-gear and that appeared to work just fine, accelerating normally and reaching the typical top speed. In each of the gear-range tests I tried with and without the PTO engaged, which did not seem to have an effect.

The overfilled HST was the obvious next thing to address, so I siphoned out fluid until the level was correct. I removed approximately 1.5 quarts, which brought me down to the top ridge of the OK range on the dip stick. The siphoned fluid appeared to be full of micro-bubbles, which seemed like evidence of a potential issue.

After letting the tractor sit for a few hours with the proper fluid level, I restarted it and spent a few hours mowing without experiencing any loss of driving speed in the low, mid or high range. The problem was apparently solved.

Hydraulics is not my particular area of expertise, so I can't say for sure that overfilling was the core issue, especially since the fluid had just been drained and some lingering air might have remained in the system until I operated the tractor at high RPM with a PTO load.

For anyone who is changing the fluid in a B7800 or equivalent, be aware that the system might enter the "acceptable" range with less than 12 quarts of new fluid. In my case, I started with 14 quarts and removed 1.5 quarts, so ultimately it took 12.5 quarts of new fluid to hit the target.
 

Henro

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I just changed the hydraulic fluid in my B 2910, which is the same tractor as yours with a couple deluxe features.

I have never had a problem after changing the hydraulic fluid, but I always just add and keep checking the fill level on the dipstick, and stop when it at the full Mark.

I think the message here is not to add what the manual says, but to add the amount of oil needed to fill the system to the full mark on the dipstick.

Glad removing the oil solved your problem. It seems to me that the likelihood is very high that the extra oil in the system was the issue. If the problem does not reappear that is likely the case. If the problem does reappear please update us!

Edit:

Your experiences remind me of something I did once not too long ago! I was changing the engine oil in my wife car, and was notpaying attention to what I was doing I guess.

After draining the oil, rather than checking oil level on the dipstick, I just added the required four quarts or to get the oil level close to full, and then checked the dipstick.

When I checked the dipstick the Oil level was about 2 inches higher on the dipstick then it should have been when full up.

To make a long story short, I finally figured out that I had drained the transmission oil rather than the engine oil!

Wasted four quarts of synthetic engine oil plus the transmission fluid as well...

Stuff happens!
 
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I think the message here is not to add what the manual says, but to add the amount of oil needed to fill the system to the full mark on the dipstick. !

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You said a mouthful right there, brother.

You won’t get everything out on the drain. In my experience, motor oil will take pretty close to the rated capacity, but the HST or front axles not so much.

This comes up quite often.

Fill it to full on the dipstick, and just check it to ensure it stays there.



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kubotasam

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There is a lot of debate surrounding the risks of overfilling a hydrostatic transmission, so I'm sharing my experience with this (already solved) on a Kubota B7800.

Despite removing every single drain plug, both filters, and the strainer, 3.5 gallons (13.2 liters) of new fluid put me over the top mark on the dip stick by more than an inch. The manual lists the fluid capacity as 15.3 quarts (14.5 liters).
Did you drain the gear case built into the back of the clutch housing? It uses the same fluid as the rest of the HST and hydraulics. It has its own drain plug. Very easy to miss because it is not connected (except by hydraulic lines) to the rest of the transmission/rear end assembly.
 

JKing

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That is a good tutorial on Messicks. The owner's manual is a bit vague, the diagrams appear to show all the plugs but the text doesn't clarify how many there are. It is possible that I did not allow the clutch housing to drain enough. I pulled the plug and walked away, came back later and it was trickling out so I figured most of the fluid was gone. In retrospect, it is possible the flow had been a trickle from the beginning, so maybe I re-plugged it too early. I should probably check to see if there is a vent on that assembly and inspect it to make sure it isn't clogged.

For the engine oil, I pulled both plugs and was paying closer attention as the initial flow quickly dropped to a trickle until I unscrewed the oil fill cap, which allowed the flow to increase significantly and then taper off to a few drips -- clearly drained.

Henro, you aren't the only one to make that mistake. Many years ago I bought a used VW Passat and for the first oil change I accidentally drained all of the transmission fluid and double-filled the oil. Even stupider, I didn't check the oil level before trying to back out of the garage. There wasn't enough fluid in the transmission for it to shift out of park, so I quickly realized what had happened.

The car had 150,000 miles at the time. After that mistake, I became more religious about checking fluid levels and reading service manuals. Luckily that car didn't give me any major problems for the rest of its life, ultimately made it to 318,000 miles on the original engine/transmission before someone rear-ended me and totaled it.

I've been very impressed with the B7800 so far. We've had very few issues over nearly 1,300 hours despite a spotty preventative-maintenance record and heavy use. The turnbuckle-style stabilizers for the three-point hitch both broke, perhaps due to misuse, so those have been swapped for the more rugged sliding-bar stabilizers on the B2910. Everything else has worked as it should.
 

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I just changed the hydraulic fluid in my B 2910, which is the same tractor as yours with a couple deluxe features.

I have never had a problem after changing the hydraulic fluid, but I always just add and keep checking the fill level on the dipstick, and stop when it at the full Mark.

I think the message here is not to add what the manual says, but to add the amount of oil needed to fill the system to the full mark on the dipstick.

Glad removing the oil solved your problem. It seems to me that the likelihood is very high that the extra oil in the system was the issue. If the problem does not reappear that is likely the case. If the problem does reappear please update us!

Edit:

Your experiences remind me of something I did once not too long ago! I was changing the engine oil in my wife car, and was notpaying attention to what I was doing I guess.

After draining the oil, rather than checking oil level on the dipstick, I just added the required four quarts or to get the oil level close to full, and then checked the dipstick.

When I checked the dipstick the Oil level was about 2 inches higher on the dipstick then it should have been when full up.

To make a long story short, I finally figured out that I had drained the transmission oil rather than the engine oil!

Wasted four quarts of synthetic engine oil plus the transmission fluid as well...

Stuff happens!
Did the same thing as a kid on an old 50 olds. luck I put the trans fluid in a new bucket and reinstalled. Was living in an apartment with my parents and this was not a good situation. BUt it all worked out