L6060 Stall Guard Experiment

SDT

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Mowed for about four hours with the L6060 and Woods BB720X HD 6' cutter yesterday. Parcel is mostly fescue and orchard grass, is irregular, some places steep and lots of obstacles. M9960 with either Woods BB840X, 7' cutter or, especially 15' BW is not practical here due to the many obstacles. Parcel had not yet been mowed this year and was heavy, some places very heavy.

BB720X is HD cutter with lots of grass clearance and rear chains, so clears well. Mower is set with skid shoes less than 1" from concrete in barn, and rear of cutter is about 1" higher than front. I keep blades nearly as sharp as a lawn mower. Pulled hard.

Rarely use auto throttle advance when mowing but do use stall guard on occasion. Cannot use both at same time because they often fight each other.

After about an hour of modulating ground speed per conditions with hydro pedal, I decided to see how stall guard would do.

Set PTO to 540 PRM and, where terrain permitted, floored hydro pedal to let stall guard control ground speed. HST in medium range. Not bad. Nearly 6 MPH going downhill if grass not heavy. Usually, stall guard slowed ground speed enough to keep PTO speed above 500 RPM in heavier grass but I did see some 480s before stall guard could get ground speed to 0 in heavy areas.

Worked 6060 and stall guard hard. Used over 5 gallons of diesel. M9960 with 7' cutter would probably have used around 3 gallons if could have used it.

Still, happy with results. HST is ideal for heavily obstructed parcels.

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troverman

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Stall guard seems like a waste of time to me, considering between your ears and the tachometer you can easily let up on the HST pedal yourself. The auto throttle advance is a nice feature for loader work, though.

Don't get me wrong, the L6060 is a beautiful machine.
 

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I have neither. I use my ears and tach to ascertain what is happening back here.
 

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I have neither. I use my ears and tach to ascertain what is happening back here.
So do I. It was an experiment.

That said, the L6060 is unlike most tractors from a noise/tone aspect. Sounds more like a zero turn mower than a tractor. Pitch changes little and display displays PTO RPM or engine RPM but not both at the same time. The display is also digital and slow to respond.

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I have not experimented with mine, but Stall Guard is on as well as Auto throttle. I hear it kick in if I shove the loader into the manure pile hard. I don't have the decades of practice that many of you have so I find it helpful when one hand is steering and one hand is running the bucket, and the right foot is determining forward or backward speed. If the hand throttle is set at some reasonable minimum rpm, it is easy to work smoothly without clanging the bucket by letting up on the foot pedal to drop the rpm say when backing up after dumping.

While mowing Stall Guard might be handy when cruise control is set. The 60 series have a different mechanism than the B2650 for example. I have only used cruise once while using a flail in the back pasture, and did not bog it down, so I dont know.
 

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I have not experimented with mine, but Stall Guard is on as well as Auto throttle. I hear it kick in if I shove the loader into the manure pile hard. I don't have the decades of practice that many of you have so I find it helpful when one hand is steering and one hand is running the bucket, and the right foot is determining forward or backward speed. If the hand throttle is set at some reasonable minimum rpm, it is easy to work smoothly without clanging the bucket by letting up on the foot pedal to drop the rpm say when backing up after dumping.

While mowing Stall Guard might be handy when cruise control is set. The 60 series have a different mechanism than the B2650 for example. I have only used cruise once while using a flail in the back pasture, and did not bog it down, so I dont know.
I have experimented with ATA while mowing but find it counterproductive unless the cover is light. It's really not intended for such tasks, but is helpful with repetitive FEL work.

I have found that ATA and stall guard will fight each other if both enabled with a heavy PTO mowing load. When load increases, engine (and PTO) speed drops. Ground speed drops correspondingly. The ECU attempts to increase engine speed but if the PTO load is too great, engine speed does not increase and stall guard reduces ground speed more, sometimes to 0. If ones foot is on the hydro pedal, even slightly, the HST controller attempts to accelerate the tractor, increasing PTO load even more. I have experienced bucking/surging in such conditions. Removing one's foot completely from the hydro pedal will stop the bucking. Leaving ATA off while mowing will prevent it.

I have never used cruise control on any of my tractors.

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Its a different tractor but for mowing purpose on my L3560 the stall guard feature works well. Really like it.
My experiment convinced me that it works fairly well when mowing but only if ATA is not enabled.

SDT