Operating rpm of m7060

243ackley

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What rpm should I be using when bushogging, etc. On my old 6800 I kept it at 2200 but this new machine will go up to near 2600.

Do you operate it wide open because of the dpf?

When bushogging there is a vibration at 2200 but it goes away around 2400 rpm.

Thanks for the advice. I am having to reeducate myself on this new machine. It seems like a lot of the things I was taught about diesel motors over the years has changed dramatically since I bought my last tractor 15 years ago.
 

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What rpm should I be using when bushogging, etc. On my old 6800 I kept it at 2200 but this new machine will go up to near 2600.

Do you operate it wide open because of the dpf?

When bushogging there is a vibration at 2200 but it goes away around 2400 rpm.

Thanks for the advice. I am having to reeducate myself on this new machine. It seems like a lot of the things I was taught about diesel motors over the years has changed dramatically since I bought my last tractor 15 years ago.
If your new machine is like the L60s, you can scroll the display by pressing the button to the left on your panel. One of the displays is the pto speed. Increase the rpm after the pto is engaged until the pto speed is 540 rpm. On mine it is about engine speed 2400, but may be different on your machine.

No you don't have to run it wide open because of the dpf.
 

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What rpm should I be using when bushogging, etc. On my old 6800 I kept it at 2200 but this new machine will go up to near 2600.

Do you operate it wide open because of the dpf?

When bushogging there is a vibration at 2200 but it goes away around 2400 rpm.

Thanks for the advice. I am having to reeducate myself on this new machine. It seems like a lot of the things I was taught about diesel motors over the years has changed dramatically since I bought my last tractor 15 years ago.
Recommended PTO speed is 540 RPM. Most folks mow at corresponding engine speed.

I usually mow 20-30 PTO RPM less without EPTO and about 50-60 PTO RPM higher with EPTO engaged.

SDT
 

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Your biggest concern is NOT to run it too low, as you said, the "re-education" of Diesels is a must with concerns for DPF.

If your 2400 is close to the RPM of the PTO (540) I would place it there. Wide open may not be necessary, but fairly close to that;)
 

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This summer so far I've mowed ~ 60 acres with my M7060HDC12. Used EPTO the whole time, which means to have the PTO at about 540 the tach on the tractor has to indicate around 1880 rpm. As someone above posted, you can set your dash to indicate the actual PTO rpm. My understanding is if you do not use (or are not equipped with) the EPTO feature then the engine has to turn in the vicinity of 2200 rpm to get 540 at the PTO shaft.
Running at around 1880 rpm for quite a few hours (mowing done with a 6' rotary mower) I saw the regeneration light come on only once and that was for only a few minutes.
 

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This summer so far I've mowed ~ 60 acres with my M7060HDC12. Used EPTO the whole time, which means to have the PTO at about 540 the tach on the tractor has to indicate around 1880 rpm. As someone above posted, you can set your dash to indicate the actual PTO rpm. My understanding is if you do not use (or are not equipped with) the EPTO feature then the engine has to turn in the vicinity of 2200 rpm to get 540 at the PTO shaft.
Running at around 1880 rpm for quite a few hours (mowing done with a 6' rotary mower) I saw the regeneration light come on only once and that was for only a few minutes.
There is a designed in logic for pto speed at certain engine speeds. The engine's torque curve.

The engine's torque curve will look like a small mountain with an up slope, a peak and then a down slope. This curve is advising you of the engine's torque output at various rpm's.

This graph is for a higher rev'ing gasoline engine but the physics are the same.



I have marked three numbers on the blue torque curve, 1, 2, & 3.

The tractor designers will have adjusted gear ratios in order to have the 540 pto rpm occurring between #2 and #3 on the graph.

For sake of an easy explanation, assuming you are powering a pto driven generator and are loading the generator near to its maximum output.

A sudden increase in electrical load, say a AC unit trying to start, will see a sudden torque need increase applied to the tractor's pto by the generator.

If your tractor is running just past the engine torque peak, as the engine accepts the additional load and slows down in rpm's, the torque it can put out actually increases as the rpm's slow towards position 2 on the torque curve.

The aspect of the design avoids the possible sudden stalling of the engine when subject to a sudden load increase. If you were operating your tractor at a position between 1 & 2 on the torque curve, a sudden load increase slows the rpms and the engine can only put out less and less torque as it is operating before the torque peak is reached.

If you have an abundance of power for the implement you are using then the torque curve has little relevance. However, tasks like snow blowing and mowers can be high torque requiring implements and your tractor should be operating with the torque curve in mind.

If your implement has low torque requirements, then the low speed pto setting is applicable to save fuel.

Dave
 

243ackley

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Thanks. At 2400 rpms I am showing about 555 on the pto.

I don’t run the epto. Cab tractor with AC and 12 speed transmission. I do use the constant rpm feature.

Pulling a 8 foot bushhog most of the time.
 

Botamon

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Thanks. At 2400 rpms I am showing about 555 on the pto.

I don’t run the epto. Cab tractor with AC and 12 speed transmission. I do use the constant rpm feature.

Pulling a 8 foot bushhog most of the time.
Here's a screen shot out of the owner's manual indicating the engine rpm required to give 540 at the PTO:
 

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There is a designed in logic for pto speed at certain engine speeds. The engine's torque curve.



The engine's torque curve will look like a small mountain with an up slope, a peak and then a down slope. This curve is advising you of the engine's torque output at various rpm's.



This graph is for a higher rev'ing gasoline engine but the physics are the same.







I have marked three numbers on the blue torque curve, 1, 2, & 3.



The tractor designers will have adjusted gear ratios in order to have the 540 pto rpm occurring between #2 and #3 on the graph.



For sake of an easy explanation, assuming you are powering a pto driven generator and are loading the generator near to its maximum output.



A sudden increase in electrical load, say a AC unit trying to start, will see a sudden torque need increase applied to the tractor's pto by the generator.



If your tractor is running just past the engine torque peak, as the engine accepts the additional load and slows down in rpm's, the torque it can put out actually increases as the rpm's slow towards position 2 on the torque curve.



The aspect of the design avoids the possible sudden stalling of the engine when subject to a sudden load increase. If you were operating your tractor at a position between 1 & 2 on the torque curve, a sudden load increase slows the rpms and the engine can only put out less and less torque as it is operating before the torque peak is reached.



If you have an abundance of power for the implement you are using then the torque curve has little relevance. However, tasks like snow blowing and mowers can be high torque requiring implements and your tractor should be operating with the torque curve in mind.



If your implement has low torque requirements, then the low speed pto setting is applicable to save fuel.



Dave


explanation with graph makes very good sense. Not thought about running a bit higher engine rpm to have more torque with loading causing slower engine rpm.

Thanks.
 

Botamon

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Looking at the data sheet provided by 85Hokie, the "mountain" shaped torque curve (line 5 on the graph) mentioned by Dave eng is all downhill right off idle!

 

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Looking at the data sheet provided by 85Hokie, the "mountain" shaped torque curve (line 5 on the graph) mentioned by Dave eng is all downhill right off idle!

That curve does not even start until 1200 rpm`s... it does not show torque or HP from idle to 1200 rpm.

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