Creeping B2650, HST pedal not centering... fix

jqc99

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Apr 8, 2015
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I have been having an issue of my B2650 HST treadle pedal not going back to center and therefore creeping unless I manually centered it. This also led to not being able to start the tractor at times because of the neutral safety switch. It was driving me insane. Searching for a solution, and not finding one that worked for me, I saw this seems to be a fairly common occurrence, and not just with the 2650. Anyway, after studying how the linkage functions, along with the shop and parts manuals, I was able to find the problem in my case, which hopefully can help others.

The bottom line is that it was the safety switch. I cleaned and lubed everything, checked the damper, spring, rubbing of parts, nothing was fixing it. I was hoping it wasn't something internal. Eventually I checked the safety switch. Turns out the switch had gotten gritty, dirty, corroded, or something and was giving enough resistance to prevent the spring from returning the pedal to center. When I took the switch out, I could really feel how bad it was. I'll see if I can open it up to find out what the actual problem is. A replacement is on order.

With the switch out and temporarily bypassed, it's like a whole new tractor. The pedal smoothly goes to center when released and sits right in neutral like it should. No more creeping. I don't ever remember it working this well. The other thing I noticed is that I can shift the gear range easier. I don't know if that happens to be a coincidence or maybe at times the HST wasn't completely in neutral and making shifting more difficult. I'll be keeping a mental note on that to see if it continues.

One final thing... I noticed that the safety switch, while being really gritty, seems like it's awfully stiff. I'm going to see if the new one is as strong and hard to compress. If it is, I'm wondering if this will be an ongoing problem. I couldn't find a a way to increase the strength on the center return mechanism to overcome the switch tension. I may look further into this.

I hope this helps some of you that have had this problem. I know it was driving me crazy and was glad it turned out to be such an easy fix.
 
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Davesrepaircom

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Apr 28, 2018
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Hi JQC,

Hey, thanks for posting this! My B2650 doesn't "creep" yet, but its tranny range is really hard to change. I'm gonna try pulling out that safety switch temporarily to see if it helps.

Really glad you mentioned that switch, I didn't think to check it.

Thanks again!
Dave

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North Idaho Wolfman

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Hey, thanks for posting this! My B2650 doesn't "creep" yet, but its tranny range is really hard to change. I'm gonna try pulling out that safety switch temporarily to see if it helps.
If it's not creeping the safety switch will have no bearing on the range being hard to shift, in his case it was an issue because it was causing the gears to be in a bind. ;)
 

dirtydeed

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Hi JQC,

Hey, thanks for posting this! My B2650 doesn't "creep" yet, but its tranny range is really hard to change. I'm gonna try pulling out that safety switch temporarily to see if it helps.

Really glad you mentioned that switch, I didn't think to check it.

Thanks again!
Dave

John 3:3
I have a similar issue. I find that I have to give the pedal a light stab (F or R depending on where the gears are loaded) to relive the pressure necessary to get it in gear. I hope that it improves over time as it is a bit of an annoyance.

Same can be said when shifting in and out of 4wd. If possible I use the loader to lift the front wheels, shifts like butter then in and out of 4wd.
 

eipo

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Thanks for this, mine is doing it to. Coupled with the issue I was having just a week or so ago...

http://www.orangetractortalks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35970

I was running out of patience.

Mine has always been hard to change between L,M and H. Sometimes it slides right in, most of the time I have to feather the HST pedal to get the gears to mesh. I believe I read in the manual that feathering the pedal is the normal operation if the lever is stiff.
 

OrangeJoe

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B2650
Sep 15, 2015
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My B2650 has done that several times during its 800 hours of use. I have found that the following corrects the issue for several hundred hours. Actually it has not been an issue for a long time. Perhaps it has "broken in" so to speak.

1: Degrease with engine degreaser the entire linkage under the right floorboard.

2: Wash well with garden hose.

3: Spray penetrating oil over the entire assembly. (that it, should be fine now)

The following has worked for me with zero negative effects.

Orange Joe