3901 trouble, brand new

Smokeless

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Unfortunately one week old and trouble. Will be driving my tractor and it will shut down, just like someone turned the key off. Believe it may be hst safety switch but have not identified its location or if there is an adjustment.


However yesterday while hooking up three point blade and idling around 1700, three dash lights in top right dash started blinking and intermittent beep started. No idea what that is and quick sctan through manual revealed nothing

I would be most appreciative if anyone can help, thanks
 

skeets

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My friend you have 3 year warranty on the beasty, and being a week old ,my self I would be on the horn to the dealer this morning. There is no reason that you,,,, and yes I know all of us do it cause it's a guy thing,,, want to fix it our selves. But at a week old,, sorry Mr. Dealer come get this thing and fix it,, Just MHO
 

Smokeless

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You are correct and thanks, i called them yesterday and they were covered up. That time of year in southern illinois.

I thought warranty was 2 years? 6 yrs on drive train, am i wrong?

I would like to know what these symptoms represent, any idea?
 
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sheepfarmer

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I think you have two problems. The first is probably a seat switch, if you stand up, fall off or lean too much it will shut the tractor off. It can be changed by your dealer. In the mean time try sitting in the middle of the seat or adding a pice of styrofoam to the middle of the seat.

The second sounds like you have ignored the regeneration light, and it can't do the regen. I have misplaced the directions for your tractor, but they are in your owners manual. It can't do the regen while idling. Do not run the tractor until you have figured it out or you will have to have the dealer do a forced regen on it. If a 3901 owner doesnt chime in, I'll try to figure out where it is. If it is beeping it is in level 2 and you will have to do a parked regen.
 

tmstractor

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Lights in upper right and beeping sounds like it wants to do a regen and the rpm needs to be raised. Cutting off might be the seat safety switch if you lean to far to the right. Just guessing here, hope the dealer will take care of you.
 

adventure bob

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The puffy windy one (as my son calls it) is the regen. It will then flash the pot with arrow in it weighty one until you throttle up. It will then begin a regen. Run it hard or throttle up with the hand throttle until the regen says complete.
 

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Yes that’s a regen issue and NOT a dealer issue. If it’s beeping you should not start you tractor up again until you read the manual and you are familiar with the regen process. IMHO it’s poorly explained but once you get the hang of it it’s a piece of cake.


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Yes that’s a regen issue and NOT a dealer issue. If it’s beeping you should not start you tractor up again until you read the manual and you are familiar with the regen process. IMHO it’s poorly explained but once you get the hang of it it’s a piece of cake.


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FWIW, i completely agree. I do not fully understand the regen steps/procedure. And no dealer rep explained it to me. I guess i will google and reread the manual again.

Thanks
 

yoteantidote

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Don’t let it scare you, once you get past this one. normally when the flashing regen light comes on just kick up the rpms until the flashing light goes solid and keep them there until the light goes away. Takes about 10-15 minutes.



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sheepfarmer

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Found my stuff for your model tractor. If all three lights are flashing and you hear beeping you either can, beep every 5 seconds, or must , beep every 3 sec, do a parked regen. Look at table on page 16 on manual. The directions for parked regen are on p19.

It can't regen until warmed up. You will have to try to get it up to operating temperature asap after you start it. Push up the rpm above 2200 at least after a very brief warmup.

What you need to know is in that manual, albeit confusing. Ask if not clear. :)
 

Smokeless

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Ok, read an reread. Wrote some Q cards so we will give it a try Monday, tied up with family till then.

Page 19 parked regen and tips on dpf plus posts here helped.

They did tell me keep rpms up so exhaust stays clean, been hovering around 1800 rpms so we are a little surprised it needs a regen. QUESTION: Got a grand total of 17 hours on the clock. Isnt that a little early for a regen? Had 4 hours on the lot, when delivered 12, so maybe they did not keep rpms up, dunno.

Appears two regen methods if i read correctly. Parked and auto. I will try parked per page 19 Monday.

Thanks folks, appreciate your time

By the way, i really enjoy this beast. Manuvers nicely, easy to operate and plenty of power. I know we will get past this switch issue and regen, just allot to take in.
 
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mdhughes

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Smokeless,
My L3901DT regens on ave every 14 hours. So yours is normal. During normal operation, you just need to watch for the "Regeneration indicator" (3) to start flashing and increase the RPMs till the "Engine RPM increase indicator" (5) goes out. After the DPF gets hot enough the "Regeneration indicator" will go solid and will stay that way till it is done with the regen. You can then lower the RPMs.

My tractor has gone through 21 regens in 280 hours of use.

Now the park regen is a little different, I haven't done one, you shouldn't have any problems if you follow the manual on it.

I work close to Mascoutah and could come by after work one night if you would like someone there while you do the park regen.

 

Smokeless

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Smokeless,
My L3901DT regens on ave every 14 hours. So yours is normal. During normal operation, you just need to watch for the "Regeneration indicator" (3) to start flashing and increase the RPMs till the "Engine RPM increase indicator" (5) goes out. After the DPF gets hot enough the "Regeneration indicator" will go solid and will stay that way till it is done with the regen. You can then lower the RPMs.

My tractor has gone through 21 regens in 280 hours of use.

Now the park regen is a little different, I haven't done one, you shouldn't have any problems if you follow the manual on it.

I work close to Mascoutah and could come by after work one night if you would like someone there while you do the park regen.

That is a great run down and all beginning to gell. Actually it appears allot more straight fwd than this am.

Thats a great offer and may take you up on that, right now i believe i am armed with enough good guidance/info to give it a go, but will hold a raincheck.

Thanks for posting
 

lugbolt

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I explained the regen process in another post a while back. Search for it. It's a simple system for the most part but Kubota's way of describing it is a joke (putting it lightly). I wish I could do a youtube vid of each of the dpf soot levels and what the tractor thinks of them, and what input is needed from the operator. But I can't because, well, I don't have enough tractors in the different soot levels to do it.

Level 1: DPF light on, raise RPM light is on below 2200 RPM (on 3301 and 3901).
Level 2: DPF light on, raise RPM light is on below 2200.
Level 2.5: DPF light on, RPM light on, parked regen light on, beep every 5 sec.
Level 3: DPF light blinking, RPM light blinking, beep every 5 seconds, parked regen light on, slight engine power reduction (I think 75%).
Level 4: all lights on, code set in the panel (where the hour meter is), engine power is reduced to 50%, beep every 3 seconds.
Level 5: All lights, code in dash, beep every second, severe reduction in engine power, cannot be regenerated, period.

On level 3, it can be regenerated but only a parked regeneration. Level 4, MIGHT be able to do a parked regen. Level 5 cannot be regenerated at all, will need dealer to remove/clean (or perhaps replace) the DPF, then use diagnostic software to re-set the DPF system. Some dealers don't do the re-set but they better be doing it....if nothing else but to avoid a repeat failure.

Purpose for the power reduction. When the DPF gets real dirty, the pressure-and HEAT-in the engine becomes high. The excessive heat can actually melt pistons. So Kubota decided in order to protect their engine internals to reduce power output at higher soot levels. And it works good for it's purpose, even though it's a pain in the back side from a consumer's point of view.

So what am I saying? If you hear a beep, stop, read up on it, and then make it regenerate. Usually just raising the RPM to 2200 or higher will do it, I go full throttle and walk away from it for about 10 minutes or so while doing yard work or whatever, and by time I'm done, the tractor's done regen'ing.

When the tractor wants a regen, the light comes on and blinks, usually along with the RPM light if the tractor's RPM is below 2200-ish. Simple. When the light's blinking, just raise the RPM, give it a minute or two, the lights will go on solid (in other words stop blinking), and at that point don't shut it off, just leave the RPM high until the lights go off. Once they go out, the regen process is done. I recommend not interrupting it if at all possible because doing so can cause the soot level to increase, possibly to the next level (from 3 to 4 for instance) which might affect whether or not it can be regenerated normally. If you're for instance bush hogging, your engine speed is going to be high anyway. You may see the light come on, don't panic, just let it stay on while you work. Once it goes off, it's done and you don't need to do anything else. This is called a passive regeneration, and takes about half as much time as an active regen-which required operator input (pushing a button, raising the RPM, etc).

That's the simplest way I know of to describe it without overcomplicating it, or explaining like kubota does-in "Jinglesh" or "Japanenglish"-which is the language that they use to write their manuals. They are originally written in Japanese, then translated-hence the complications and the sometimes weird terms like "reray" (relay) or plus cord (positive battery cable). Some of them make me chuckle a little.
 

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I usually just keep on working when mine goes into regen but I make sure the rpm is up around 2500 but then again I always work the tractor at a high rpm. My tractors gone through many with no problem.
 

Ike

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Ok, read an reread. Wrote some Q cards so we will give it a try Monday, tied up with family till then.

Page 19 parked regen and tips on dpf plus posts here helped.

They did tell me keep rpms up so exhaust stays clean, been hovering around 1800 rpms so we are a little surprised it needs a regen. QUESTION: Got a grand total of 17 hours on the clock. Isnt that a little early for a regen? Had 4 hours on the lot, when delivered 12, so maybe they did not keep rpms up, dunno.

Appears two regen methods if i read correctly. Parked and auto. I will try parked per page 19 Monday.

Thanks folks, appreciate your time

By the way, i really enjoy this beast. Manuvers nicely, easy to operate and plenty of power. I know we will get past this switch issue and regen, just allot to take in.
That's about the same hours mine regen at the first time. Mine is a 3301 and after the first one running about 1800 it regens at around 20 to 25 hours. The harder you run it the longer it take for it to go into regen mode
 

Buffalo

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My 3901 won't get hot enough just parked to regen, no matter how high the throttle is.
I have to have it do something - I can let it sit for a half hour at full throttle trying
to regen and it won't manage to complete. If I just put it in gear and start to drive,
it will manage to regen in only a few minutes. Try heading up a hill if it takes too long !
 

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Four years ago I bought the last new L3800 in the area. I was all set to buy the new 3901 but got a discount buying the previous year's model, the 3800. I am happy that I don't need to think of regens even though it seems to be no problem for owners here.
 

Ike

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Man am I glad I have no Tier IV tractors!!!! What a PITA!
No PITA. First time my regen it missed a beat and then did its thing. Now I do not know other than the light flashing when it is regen mode. I keep right on doing whatever I am doing. I would much rather have it like this is than have to add fluid to it lie some do