Kubota L1500 L175 3PL lift leak

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Guys, I'd like to know how you keep the 3pt hitch from what I call popping a wheelie when loosing the tongue weight on my trailer, using my L185dt? Tyvm

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I suggest you post a photo of the rear end of your tractor so we can show you where a draw bar should and likely can go.

It sounds like you have a bar with many holes in it which goes between the two lift arms.

These became prominent in the early days of 3 pt hitches but today I feel they can be dangerous.

Dave
 

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Dave, you mention "Since the interaction between an implement (such as a plow) on a 3 pt hitch and the ground is always to drive the implement deeper and deeper, and gravity increases that tendency, I though the action of the hydraulics was to raise and that lowering was just an absence of raising and no double acting cylinder is involved.

Am I not understanding your point or the system?"

I think we're on the same page. Gravity pulls the implement down, and will until there is no more mechanical linkage that can let it move that direction.

The adjustments allow the operator to set a maximum depth and also a maximum distance it will rise.

I was just pointing out there are tractors with options that help control the lift of the 3pt arms the original poster was questioning.
 

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D2cat

I hope we can continue to explore this topic as it helps me learn and re think my opinions.

This first photo is a mistake I made years ago which resulted in the rear casting on an old Nuffield tractor being broken out by the 3 pt cylinder push rod.



This marked up illustration is my attempt to explain what went wrong which, in my case, was the falling out of a small roll pin inside the rear hydraulic unit.

There was no way for me to know this pin had come out as the lift arms worked great. Normally, the push rod which presses on the upper lift arms to raise the hitch assembly, is bearing against the dished top of the hydraulic cylinder piston and at the lift arm end pushing into a cupped depression. The loose pivoting feature of the push rod is in many tractors because the cylinder push rod is not pushing in a straight line like a normal hydraulic cylinder would do. The designers want to avoid any bending moment on the push rod.

The arms normally stay down under their own weight and although the pin has come out life goes on.

I was trying to connect an implement and the lift arms were too low. I just lifted them by hand a few inches, connected the implement, got into the tractor and started to lift the implement. Because of the missing roll pin, the push rod had dropped out of position when I lifted the lower arms.
In its new position, the push rod was against the rear casting. Under the pressure of the piston against the push rod, the push rod forced a piece of the casting out of its way with a loud crack.



Another point.
The links between the lower and upper lift arms have ways to adjust the relative height of the two lower arms. On some tractors I know, on one side the link to lift the lower arm has a slot so there is several inches of up movement possible without the upper arm moving.

Here are parts illustrations from two other tractors. My point in including them is to support my position that the 3 pt system cannot hold back or down the arms because in many designs the push rod is loose and cannot pull back or resist the arms moving up.





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Anybody please? Is there a kit that you can buy to keep the 3pt from going up while hooked to a trailer? Tyvm, Brian

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This is your lucky day!!

Was at my local Kubota dealer today and saw this product for sale which does exactly what you want.

There is a metal structure that goes from the lower arms draw bar to the top link attachment so the vertical movement of the draw bar cannot happen.
It was about $130 in Canada. Insert your 2 x2 hitch and ball into the socket and you are done. There are a couple of models so order with care.



http://becollp.com/catalog.pdf

Dave
 

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The flat draw bar between the three point arms is one type of drawbar. It has the following problems - rotation around the pins, no ability except gravity to stay down, can make the tractor flip over as previously shown.

A second type that my Kubota has is also a flat bar that runs along the axis (front to rear) and protrudes out the rear of the tractor. It will not turn the tractor over since it is below the rear axle. It does not move up or down. Its problems are that the tongue of the trailer in now between the wheels and limits turning radius or bad things happen to the towed trailer by the rear tires.

This limiter will resolve the up issue as well as the rotation of the flat draw bar between the lower arms
http://www.wfmachines.com/discus/messages/335/101570.jpg

But it eliminates any ability to back up to trailer and raise the ball into the tongue. So trailer MOVERS were invented
https://www.motherearthnews.com/-/m...hash=08682EA946B1049F9FB9E58403B860CE7EAE254E

Moves trailers well but still nothing to stop upward movement .

Here is the two types of draw bars shown

https://blogs.cornell.edu/smallfarmsprogram/files//2016/04/Three-Point-Hitches4-sfqxo6.png
Here is the chain option
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...332329555-3-point-hitch-draw-bar-p2180003-jpg


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The flat draw bar between the three point arms is one type of drawbar. It has the following problems - rotation around the pins, no ability except gravity to stay down, can make the tractor flip over as previously shown.

A second type that my Kubota has is also a flat bar that runs along the axis (front to rear) and protrudes out the rear of the tractor. It will not turn the tractor over since it is below the rear axle. It does not move up or down. Its problems are that the tongue of the trailer in now between the wheels and limits turning radius or bad things happen to the towed trailer by the rear tires.

This limiter will resolve the up issue as well as the rotation of the flat draw bar between the lower arms
http://www.wfmachines.com/discus/messages/335/101570.jpg

But it eliminates any ability to back up to trailer and raise the ball into the tongue. So trailer MOVERS were invented
https://www.motherearthnews.com/-/m...hash=08682EA946B1049F9FB9E58403B860CE7EAE254E

Moves trailers well but still nothing to stop upward movement .

Here is the two types of draw bars shown

https://blogs.cornell.edu/smallfarmsprogram/files//2016/04/Three-Point-Hitches4-sfqxo6.png
Here is the chain option
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...332329555-3-point-hitch-draw-bar-p2180003-jpg


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Very good ALL. Tyvm it ALL has educated me and has expanded my horizon. My regards ;)

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