small lifting crane

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Thanks, at last, a constructive suggestion.

Not one trying to tell you how dangerous it is to tie your tractor to an immovable object and try to pull it.

We make the comments we make to be helpful and keep people from injuring ones self from the lack of knowledge on the things that can happen with a particular setup, but it is your prerogative to ignore it.

You might want to put your ROPS up, it works better when it's up for roll overs, but you probably don't want to hear that either.

 

[skeets]

asgard,,, My friend aint no one here tryin to bust your balls over what you did, its a fine job. However what you did was not carried out far enough thats all. People here have for the most part a rather extended view on what can happen in a heart beat, and the resulting outcome. No point in getting your panties in a twist, we just want you to be around a long time and do things as safe as you can.

 

[torch]

Not one trying to tell you how dangerous it is to tie your tractor to an immovable object and try to pull it.

Sometimes the answers we need are just not the ones we wanted to hear.

 

[asgard]

We make the comments we make to be helpful and keep people from injuring ones self from the lack of knowledge on the things that can happen with a particular setup, but it is your prerogative to ignore it.

You might want to put your ROPS up, it works better when it's up for roll overs, but you probably don't want to hear that either.

Sir, you make way too many assumptions on my lack of knowledge and your superior knowledge.

I operate from a standpoint based on risk assessment, I evaluate what I want to do, how I want to achieve it and what potential risk is involved to both me, my equipment and my surroundings.

This seems to be a case where many assumptions as to the use and capability of the item and the intelligence of the operator have been made without any understanding of what was trying to be achieved, you jump to the worst case scenario, the point of potential failure and the fact that no logic is in play.

I have worked all my career in relatively high-risk environments and intend to survive the use of a compact tractor.

I thank you all for your concern and for my wellbeing.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Sir, you make way too many assumptions on my lack of knowledge and your superior knowledge.

Sorry you feel offended and that I'm a know it all.

I will leave you to do what you will!

 

[D2Cat]

Asgard, as I read this thread and see you feeling offended, I think the interest of those who posted what you perceive as a negative towards your project or ability to use it is taken somewhat out of context.

This is a forum that is available to anyone. Some folks come here with their first tractor or implement or problem. An answer needs to be worded so if someone else (maybe years latter) reads the thread they can understand the ramifications of the answer. An inexperienced person could copy your design/pictures and then use the apparatus in a different method then you intend to use it and find themselves in grave danger.

The posts you take offense to are to protect those who are unaware of the dangers of hitching things to tractors that can cause accidents.

 

[coachgeo]

just typed a big speel about responses are speaking to the WHOLE of those in here and not just to one person........ hit SAVE..... then read D2cats response..... lol

oh well..... erased everything I said.... D2cat said it better than me so re-read post above lol.

 

[origami]

Thanks, at last, a constructive suggestion.

Not one trying to tell you how dangerous it is to tie your tractor to an immovable object and try to pull it.

Touche. Maybe simplifying the model to an extreme to illuminate the concern was not what was desired. However, I think that, as an unconcerned bystander, it reflected both the argument and the agency warnings that were put before you for consideration. The fact that you don't want to listen to what they had to offer, and then (defensively) went on to set up and post about a test that demonstrated a failure to understand their concerns speaks more to me. But, hey, I don't have a dog in this fight.



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[origami]

By the way, I (for one), appreciate the safety discussion. I learned something new that I hadn't considered earlier (but made perfect sense) , despite 35 years in engineering.

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[billrigsby]

WOW....Group Hug

I have read and re-read this post, lots of good info,
I tend to side with the majority that caution needs to be exercised in using this,
(and makes me think about my rear 3-point boom, yet to be used)
but like "bcp" stated "put a hook on the drawbar and a choker around the log"
I see no problems pulling a large load, and your post (photo) #17 answered my question if you had any front end ballast.

While I will go out on a limb here and say, no one here is an expert,
but collectively, you will get expert advise, I know I have.

BUT

Personally I have been waiting with baited breath for NIW to "critique" or "criticize" my current FAB project.

While he may not be a "know-it-all" he definitely "knows things"

Not so I could lash out at him or feel butt-hurt, but so it can be improved.
and so far others have pointed out the errors of my design and it has improved.

What "D2CAT" said and "coachgeo" was about to say, the information here may,
NO, will help others in the future, nothing is a personal attack, please do not feel it is.

 

[Tooljunkie]

I participated in removing somwhere in the area of 300 cords of downed trees after a heavy wet snow.in a campground. All varieties of machinery were used,each one of course presented dangers. As a group we would approach each different scenario(trees in buildings, on buildings and multiple trees tangled in ways you coudnt imagine)
Assess the dangers and come up with ways to manage risk. What it came down to was dont do anything stupid. Prime example was pinching a saw in the cut. Push tree with skidsteer and yank out saw, right?nope. Tie rope to saw and pull it out from a safe distance. Still not the safest but no better alternative available.

Managing risk and finding safe ways to complete task is the goal. Many people are experienced and just want to share the knowledge.

This thread covers many aspects of best and worst case scenarios.

If someone copies your build, they are now (myself included) aware of potential dangers. I like the idea, and plan on doing something similar.

 

[dandeman]

I suspect there may be two different clubs that people posting here belong to..Those who have inadvertently had a tractor up on two wheels in a out of control situation and survived...(and swear they will never do that again) and those who haven't. You can also become an associate member if you've witnessed others come close to serious consequences.. I've seen two..

There's a third club, but we don't hear much from them...

I'll admit it.. in my much younger and inexperienced years clearing our land with the Ford 4000 (no ROPS or other safety features), I joined the two wheel club, complete with lifetime membership including survival benefits after swearing to never do it again. The initiation is rather scary, complete with education of just how fast you have to react to avoid joining the third club, which membership is irrevokable and permanent.

A work associate of mine joined the third club using a similar old tractor as my Ford.

 

[torch]

Tie rope to saw and pull it out from a safe distance. Still not the safest but no better alternative available.

What about "unbolt the bar and chain to retrieve the powerhead without damaging it, then finish the job with a second saw to retrieve the B&C"?

 

[CountryBumkin]

I may have missed the intent of this lift - but if it is for stationary lifting, how about making a plate for it to sit on the ground. Then when your lift is positioned you set the 3-pt down so the lift's base is setting on the ground. All the lifting force will be transferred to ground and no worry of front end lifting.

 

[asgard]

Mike, this is just a light weight portable unit, don't jump the gun, I have another in the pipeline, but I am just letting things settle down first.
I do not want to cause any cardiac events by posting more stuff too close.

I don't have an FEL and my purpose for this although somewhat overshadowed by concerns of safety was to allow me to lift things that were too heavy to manhandle on your own, like my snowblower, MMM and some other bits. I said logs and the wheels came off my wagon, so pretend I never said that word.
Next one is almost ready -- hold on to your hats.

 

[Tooljunkie]

What about "unbolt the bar and chain to retrieve the powerhead without damaging it, then finish the job with a second saw to retrieve the B&C"?

Too much time involved in the vicinity of a loose tree. Whole idea is to keep the peoples at a safe distance until tree is down.