Hydraulic pump adjustment

RCtoywizard

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Hello all
I have a 2008 M5040 and would love to boost my hydraulics just a bit to pick
up another 200 lbs of weight. I mean I am picking up what I need now but its
a little shaky and slow and only gets my load about 2ft off the ground and I really need 4ft. I understand there is a way to adjust the hydraulic pump to achieve what I need. I would rather ask the question instead of making back yard adjustments.
Thanks in advance.
 

Dave_eng

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What is the model of your loader. LA1153 is shown in my loader shop manual as being for a M5040.
If it is this model, do you have the detailed spec's on its performance which covers a full page? If not I will find a way to get it to you.

First you need to spend about $35 to buy a pressure gauge and hydraulic fitting which will plug into your rear remotes.


My comments below flow from owning a M7040 which may or may not be the same design as your M5040. Below is material from an earlier post of mine.

I have some info owner's of M7040 with FEL may find interesting.

I was having trouble lifting my large heavy snow blower (when the blower was covered in snow and ice) on the 3pt hitch in spite of using the lift arm holes which provide the greatest strength.
My shop manual provided instructions for setting the 3 pt relief valve which is located near the rear remotes.
I bought a new gauge and hydraulic fitting to plug the gauge into a remote port. Total cost for the gauge and fitting was approximately $35 which is a great investment
For the test the tractor is to be run a full revs and then the remote valve activated and a reading taken from the gauge.
In spite of adjusting the relief valve to its maximum position, I was reaching about 2,400 psi which is approx 400 psi below the 2,800 psi setting in the shop manual.
I spoke with the dealer's mechanic some time ago about this and learned that the FEL relief valve could be the cause.
My health does not permit me to crawl under the tractor so I had the mechanic come to my place this week for the 300 hr service.
First he double checked the reading I was getting on the remote and then began to adjust the FEL relief which you access after removing the metal guard around the FEL valve.
Soon the remote valve was reading almost 3,000 psi.
He explained the hydraulic circuit this way.
The pump has two sections. One feeds the power steering and has an independent hydraulic circuit. The other section feeds first the FEL valve and then through a power beyond port the flow goes to the rear remotes and 3 pt. If the FEL relief valve is set below the factory 3,002 psi the pressure available for the 3 pt and rear remotes is reduced.

The workshop manual for the tractor does not show a hydraulic circuit for the FEL and the shop manual for the FEL is, for my level of knowledge on hydraulics, not informative enough about how the two systems integrate once on the tractor.

Now the curl cylinders will lift the front wheels of the tractor perhaps 6 to 8 inches off the ground whereas before the relief valve was adjusted this was not possible. Lifting the snow covered blower is no longer a problem.
Here is the section of the FEL shop manual dealing with setting the relief valve.
The following picture of the shop manual page is too wide for what is normally posted and requires scrolling your screen sideways to see the whole picture but I was afraid to resize if for fear of it being hard to read.


Don't do this without a new gauge of the proper range as you can easily damage your tractor or hurt yourself. If you have doubts spend the money on a Kubota mechanic. Setting the two relief valves takes just a few minutes.

Dave M7040
 
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lugbolt

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What is your current hydraulic pressure? You need to know this before doing anything else. Simply turning the pressure up does nothing (and usually does more harm than good) if there is a component problem elsewhere.......

Little story. Guy brought me a tractor years ago, MX5000 if I remember correctly, says his loader is weak. I questioned him, trying to find out what he was trying to lift with it, and how, and where he had the load. Remember-Kubota (and all other manufacturers) rate their loader lift capacity at the lower pin. If the load is further away from the pin, like, say with forks or a bale spear, then the lift capacity drops. Anyway, I couldn't get a straight answer out of said customer, so I checked it out. Showed 2530 psi, which is right within spec, actually a little high but gauges can be off a little so I left it at that. Called Mr. Customer and told him it was right where it needed to be. He argued and told me to turn it up a few hundred psi. Nope. Told him to pick it up as it is, and it was within Kubota's specification-and modification beyond that spec is his responsibility.

Fast forward about 2 months. I get a call from a guy, says his tractor has a leak at the 3 point housing. Odd I thought, figured it was a pipe or one of the hoses on the rear remote. Said he'd bring it in as soon as he got the bush hog off and got it on a trailer. Ok no big deal. Next day it shows up. Different guy than I spoke with originally, same tractor. The entire rear half of the transmission is broken off of the main case. The 3 point hitch housing, the rear of the transmission housing itself, one brake case cracked as well. I quizzed the guy who was dropping it off. Turns out he is a farm hand; who does most of the tractor maintenance. The owner was attempting to pick up round bales and when they're wet, it wouldn't pick them up, so he told the maintenance guy to crank the pressure up. So he did. And it was fine for the most part. They got to bush hogging, got the hog backed into an area where it wouldn't pick the hog up, but the hydraulic system was pouring full pressure to the hitch cylinder, and the hitch wouldn't come up. The extra pressure put more strain on the cylinder housing, broke it, and of course it's bolted directly to the transmission housing, so it took out the transmission and as the back of the trans broke out, it pulled the right brake case/axle housing as well-causing it to crack.

$3100 later, it was fixed. All because he was asking too much of his little tractor. Kubota has a specification, and it's specified that way for a reason. Going beyond it is not a good idea. Some get by with it, others get to fix broken stuff. Don't be one of those others.

I get the call often. Especially the standard L series (3301/2501/3901/4701)...guys buy them because they're small, relatively cheap, and brand new. And expect them to pick up wet round bales. To figure your loader's maximum lift capacity quickly, take the number on the loader, for instance LA525, multiply the number by 2, and that's your rough estimated lift capacity. So a LA525 x 2 would be 1050lbs at the pin; and that's figured with using ballast on the rear, with no ballast, an L3301 will lift the rear wheels off the ground with 1000 lbs on the loader, and the loader's load will barely clear the ground.
 
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NEPA Guy

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Wow, this is really interesting stuff. I'm finding hydraulics an amazing subject. I'll look forward to reading up on it more once time allows.

I'm curious, speaking of possible component issues affecting the hydro system; Is using a hydraulic fitting pressure gauge the only or easiest way to diagnose these errors.

From my standpoint I think it would be difficult to judge whether or not the tractor was operating at peak efficiency. Are there any inherent warning systems built in to the tractors?

Or am I wrong and I would know it when something wasn't working well. Do people test the PSI rating on occasion?

Can I generate a health report of sorts from an OBD2/EOBD connection?
 

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What attachment are you using to pick up these machines? If you're using the bucket maybe you could get some pallet forks that may be lighter but more importantly will move the load closer to the tractor allowing the loader to pick it up better.
 

Dave_eng

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Probably you know this but I dont recall it being mentioned.

There are two different pin holes for the boom cylinder fulcrum point.
One position gives you more lift height and the other more lifting power.

Look at the photo.
Are your two boom cylinders ends in pin hole A or B?
It makes a significant difference in lifting power!



Dave M7040
 

RCtoywizard

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Hello all again
Ok, my pressure gauge came in, now to find the quick disconnect end. I was planning on getting the male end as in the pic posted above but for me that will only work on my pto end. The loader end is hard plumbed from the distribution block for about 2 ft to a bracket that has quick disconnects mounted on it. Now thats not a big deal but it appears (in the dark with a flashlight and 2.5 power reading glasses...lol) that I need to get a female quick disconnect in order to check the loader pressure.
I stopped at my local tractor supply and did not realize all the choices so I need to figure out which one I need that fits so I dont buy 8 of them and keep trying.
I plan on finding a male connector also so I can check the 3 point hitch end too.

and yes, she is pinned in the lower fulcrum B.
 

Dave_eng

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If you find the rear pressure on a remote is at the upper end of the listed range, it is a pretty reasonable conclusion that the FEL pressures are OK as the FEL one is just a little higher to account for the pressure loss of the fluid flowing through the pipes and valves to the rear You could get a short length of hose with hydraulic fittings. the gauge to screw into one end of the hose and the male hydraulic connector to plug into the tractor. Then you will have the gauge where it is easy to read.
Dave M7040
 

RCtoywizard

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sorry for such a long delay.......cold up here. today changed out the fuel filter, keeping my baby running good. 14° too cold to mess with the hydraulics for testing the pressure, will do soon. have all the toys now to do it. Will keep ya all posted on it as I can. Have a great weekend.
 

RCtoywizard

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Hello all
Sorry for the long delay, weather, busy, work, weather, you know...
Anyway, finally tried out my gauge, works great, 2830 lbs of hydraulic pressure.
So thats good. No sense in tweeking it up unless there is a real prob. I do wonder what is the ratio or is there one? If it lifts say, 2300 lbs at 2830 lbs of pressure, would it pick up 2400 lbs at 2860 lbs of pressure..see where I am going?
At least I know its not too low or too high. Thank you all for your help. I really do appreciate it.