Caroni tillers-forward or reverse rotation?

[Tallahassee Kubota Man]

Hey guys and gals, I've been looking at pto tillers. The Caroni is interesting, but for the life of me I can't find anything saying whether they are forward or reverse rotation. Anyone know?

 

[nickelplated5s]

Forward unless they tell you otherwise. There is a new 4' for sale here @ 1750. 6' was around 2500 but I don't know if it's gone and I don't know about getting replacement parts for Caroni. I did call NW Tiller, great guy and we never got to the price talk. One of their 6'ers was to heavy for my 4740 with a full set of weights. The big boys are running a few 12'ers here and they are pretty slick.

 

[Bulldog]

I've looked everywhere and I can't find a 6' Caroni tiller. Biggest I can find is a 67" and it only weighs 700lbs.

TKM, I have no opinion about Caroni because I've never used that brand before. It makes me wonder about them though because their prices are so much cheaper than other brands. Agri-supply has them dirt cheap and the price makes me question quality. You don't get something for nothing so why are they that cheap compared to other brands. I gave $1600 for my 62" Bushhog tiller back in 2000 and it's nothing special. I bought a tiller for my B7100 that was made in Italy (off brand) that worked but it was cheap. It did a good job but I don't think it would last for very long if it was used a lot. I know none of this really applies, I'll shut up now.

 

[Tallahassee Kubota Man]

Thanks guys. The biggest Caroni I can find is 67" as well and ASC sells 'em for around $1,800 and weigh around 700 lbs. I figured it must be forward rotation. From what I've seen the reverse tillers are heavier and of course more expensive. Looks like the name brand 6 ft's go for $ 3,000 and up.
Bulldog, as always appreciate your thoughts. Nickelplated5s, those NW tillers look like beasts.

 

[nickelplated5s]

$1800? Maybe I should just get the used Land Pride, side shift, reverse cut 4'er. More seat time though.



New
Caroni
FM1700 Heavy Duty Rotary Tiller
67" Working Width
Includes Slip Clutch PTO
Quality Made In Italy

Weight HP
705 lbs 35-60

Reg List Price $3450.00

Special $2700.00

 

[BotaDriver]

Picked up a 60" tarter unit from TSC for around $1600. They're heavy-duty units and can have the gearbox flipped to make them run forward or reverse. Even the hardest soil with rocks doesn't phase the 3800 --- should have picked up the 6' unit.

 

[Tallahassee Kubota Man]

$1800? Maybe I should just get the used Land Pride, side shift, reverse cut 4'er. More seat time though.



New
Caroni
FM1700 Heavy Duty Rotary Tiller
67" Working Width
Includes Slip Clutch PTO
Quality Made In Italy

Weight HP
705 lbs 35-60

Reg List Price $3450.00

Special $2700.00

nickelplated5s, where are these prices from? Here's a link to that tiller on ASC:

http://www.agrisupply.com/caroni-tillovator-with-clutch/p/30266/

 

[Tallahassee Kubota Man]

Picked up a 60" tarter unit from TSC for around $1600. They're heavy-duty units and can have the gearbox flipped to make them run forward or reverse. Even the hardest soil with rocks doesn't phase the 3800 --- should have picked up the 6' unit.

BotaDriver, what is a "tarter" unit?

 

[Bulldog]

Might look at a King Kutter. My brother loved his. http://www.ruralking.com/king-kutte...m_medium=cpc&gclid=CJfjkLCJzMYCFQktaQod3J0Ezg

I put my zip in just to see what it would cost. $2100 shipped to my door.

 

[DaveB6200]

http://www.everythingattachments.com/Tractor-Rotary-Tillers-and-Rotavators-s/76.htm

 

[Tallahassee Kubota Man]

Might look at a King Kutter. My brother loved his. http://www.ruralking.com/king-kutte...m_medium=cpc&gclid=CJfjkLCJzMYCFQktaQod3J0Ezg

I put my zip in just to see what it would cost. $2100 shipped to my door.

Bulldog, you're one step ahead of me. Started looking at the KK. Is a little heavier, has reverse rotation and gear driven, if I remember right. 7' available. My 5140 has tire print around 78". Some folks are saying the KK is the same tiller as the County Line sold by Tractor Supply.

 

[Bulldog]

TKM, I think you're correct about the County Line brand. I believe they are made for TSC by KK. Something to keep in mind, the KK tillers will dig in and really load a tractor down. My brother had a B7500 and a 4' KK. His garden spot was rich deep top soil and on the first pass it would dig so deep his tractor wouldn't even pull it in 2wd. Before he got a tractor I always dig his garden with my Bushhog tiller. His would do in one pass what it took me two passes to do. If I had it to do over again I would have bought a KK myself. Having 6 tines per row makes a huge difference over a 4 tine like mine. Like I said though, it takes some HP to run one but they are efficient.

A guy down the road from me replaced his worn out Long tiller with a 7' KK. He has a IH 585 tractor which is around 60 hp I think. The first time he used the new tiller he went in the field like he always did at a low rpm and it killed the engine. He tried again and it killed it. He tried a third time with it about 2000 rpm and when the tines hit the ground the the black smoke was rolling and the dirt was flying. I was very impressed.

 

[Tallahassee Kubota Man]

http://www.everythingattachments.com/Tractor-Rotary-Tillers-and-Rotavators-s/76.htm

Everything Attachments has the best selection of tillers and great videos. On the King Kutter I'm looking at they are $400 more even when shipping is added from RuralKing.com There are local dealers so I'm gonna check them out for price. If close I'd rather have a local business to guarantee the product.

 

[Tallahassee Kubota Man]

TKM, I think you're correct about the County Line brand. I believe they are made for TSC by KK. Something to keep in mind, the KK tillers will dig in and really load a tractor down. My brother had a B7500 and a 4' KK. His garden spot was rich deep top soil and on the first pass it would dig so deep his tractor wouldn't even pull it in 2wd. Before he got a tractor I always dig his garden with my Bushhog tiller. His would do in one pass what it took me two passes to do. If I had it to do over again I would have bought a KK myself. Having 6 tines per row makes a huge difference over a 4 tine like mine. Like I said though, it takes some HP to run one but they are efficient.

A guy down the road from me replaced his worn out Long tiller with a 7' KK. He has a IH 585 tractor which is around 60 hp I think. The first time he used the new tiller he went in the field like he always did at a low rpm and it killed the engine. He tried again and it killed it. He tried a third time with it about 2000 rpm and when the tines hit the ground the the black smoke was rolling and the dirt was flying. I was very impressed.

Hey Bulldog, I'm impressed just reading about it! Would love to see a video of that.

I was looking at the 7', now I'm wondering if my 52 hp will run it. One thing I notice is there are subtle differences among the King Kutters and the Countylines. Some are forward some are reverse rotation. Plus some were 800 lbs, some were 1,000 lbs.

The reverse is supposed to dig deeper..I know my garden tiller does when in reverse mode. May take more hp and weight for a reverse. Any thoughts?

 

[Bulldog]

Yeah, a reverse model takes more power to run. It's trying to go one way while the tractor is going another. Just my opinion but I believe the reverse tillers are harder on the 3pt because of the extra pressure and they jerk more.

I looked up the specs on the KK site and it says the 6' is for 35 - 50 hp and the 7' is 50 - 65 hp. It didn't specify but most implement HP requirements are list for PTO HP, not engine. I think I would study about that before I bought a tiller that was to big.

I'll add this, my brothers 4' KK worked my L3000 harder than my 62" Bushhog tiller does.

 

[Tallahassee Kubota Man]

For sure. The reverse one would have to put more pressure on on the tractor.

The size may be a problem for me. If I step down to a 6' I'm gonna leave tracks. The Caroni has the 67", but can shift 6" to the right. Still got some figgerin' to do.

 

[Bulldog]

I don't know about the reverse tine but I bet you could run a standard 7'. A lot of how it pulls is soil conditions anyway. Plus you don't have to go 12 inches deep in one pass either. It might be worth the time to contact KK and see what they suggest as far as HP vrs size. Keep us posted.

 

[DaveB6200]

Everything Attachments has the best selection of tillers and great videos. On the King Kutter I'm looking at they are $400 more even when shipping is added from RuralKing.com There are local dealers so I'm gonna check them out for price. If close I'd rather have a local business to guarantee the product.

Yeah, I should have noted that I was posting that just for the various different models for you to look at. I did notice as well that their prices were a little higher than others posted on here at other dealers.

Good Luck with the purchase and lets see the pics when you get it!

Dave L

 

[Tallahassee Kubota Man]

Thanks guys....will do.

 

[nickelplated5s]

That came off a CL posting from a small independent shop, i.e. appointment only although they do have inventory. ASC shipping shows five days to the NW, probably a chunk of the price difference. Let us know what you get, I have to pull the trigger soon too.