Kubota BX25 Starting issue.

[rentthis]

I have read your and others posts with interest. I have been renting Kubota equipment to all comers for 25 years. In all those years I have had only a few complaints regarding power. I have never had what I could call a lemon out of dozens of Kubota machines. My equipment is used to do things I would never allow if I knew what was going on and they take a beating in the process. It appears from your comments that you may have gotten the one in a million that just doesn't work right. Anything is possible and you seem to be proof and credible . I would, however, question a couple of your complaints re: the tractor. The tire size is the same at home as they were when you saw the machine at the dealership and I am assuming you saw how far up the loader lifted at the same visit. Having said that, I think your dealer needs to spend more than a little time addressing your concerns. If it were me, I would probably never get the bad taste out of my mouth. If I do ever get a lemon, I know enough about tractors and their abilities and longevity to stick with what I have found to be bullet proof, Kubota. If you change brands, it's a good idea to demo the machine for a couple of days to satisfy yourself that it's up to expectations. I hope all works out well. Let us know where you land.

Mike

 

[Flienlow]

I have read your and others posts with interest. I have been renting Kubota equipment to all comers for 25 years. In all those years I have had only a few complaints regarding power. I have never had what I could call a lemon out of dozens of Kubota machines. My equipment is used to do things I would never allow if I knew what was going on and they take a beating in the process. It appears from your comments that you may have gotten the one in a million that just doesn't work right. Anything is possible and you seem to be proof and credible . I would, however, question a couple of your complaints re: the tractor. The tire size is the same at home as they were when you saw the machine at the dealership and I am assuming you saw how far up the loader lifted at the same visit. Having said that, I think your dealer needs to spend more than a little time addressing your concerns. If it were me, I would probably never get the bad taste out of my mouth. If I do ever get a lemon, I know enough about tractors and their abilities and longevity to stick with what I have found to be bullet proof, Kubota. If you change brands, it's a good idea to demo the machine for a couple of days to satisfy yourself that it's up to expectations. I hope all works out well. Let us know where you land.

Mike

All true Mike. I even talked to a couple of rental yards before I purchased. They said basically the same thing you did. As far as the tires, you are absolutely correct. It's not something I really thought about to be honest. I do know if it did have taller tires, it probably would be a little better and for sure it was something that was engineered that way for reason, perhaps cost? The loaders is about the same way. Its not like I pulled tape and measured out everything I have or want to do.I will say that if was just a tad taller I would be able to dump and then back out from my trailer which would allow me to fill it better when I go to the dump.

 

[rentthis]

I understand your frustration. As for the rental business, we couldn't survive with the brands you are considering. That's the rental consensus. I don't want to sound like daddy but if I had your situation, I would be dancing on my Kubota dealers desk wanting a fair price on an upgrade.

 

[Flienlow]

As for the rental business, we couldn't survive with the brands you are considering. That's the rental consensus. .

Substantiate. Is it due to the relatively low cost of the machines, Maintenance, or durability? I have tried to kill 3 of these things already, and for the most part I find that small tractors in General (regardless of color) are mostly indestructible. -Not Completely though.

0% for 60 is free money too.

 

[rentthis]

The main reason for using Kubota for rental is their reliability and engineering. If we had 3 different brands side by side, I could pick the competition to death. In all these years, I have had one new machine give trouble. It was an L-35 backhoe that dropped a valve at 75 hours due to a failed valve spring keeper. Kubota replaced the engine and the machine was perfect for the next 4 years. I know that it's hard to believe but Until recently, I have, to my recollection never had a Kubota break itself. Customers break something on them pretty often but it's usually something like bent sheet metal. I just had to replace a radiator under warranty. It just started leaking and Kubota sent me a replacement. I have to admit that I'm probably the worst on this forum about totally servicing tractors. We change the oil once in a while and grease them often. Once in a while, I get to feeling guilty and change/service some hydraulics. I don't know of having a failure related to my being so cheap and lazy. Clutches fail, cylinders have to be repacked, wear part need to be replaced. All that is to be expected. One thing I need to point out is that I usually replace tractors around 2000 hours. By then, they are loose and look like hell because of all the rental abuse. I always get a good price by way of trade in. As for price, price is always an issue but I never let it be THE issue. Kubota also offers 0% financing. I feel like I could probably use some John Deere successfully but I'm scared to death to try. As far as I'm concerned, when you leave Kubota, no matter what you go to, you are going downhill.

No animals where injured producing this Kubota Diatribe

Mike

 

[D2Cat]

"0% for 60 is free money too".

This is a buyers rational, and the seller's reason for you to buy. There is no free money. It's all built in to the final cost. Much like the old Fram commercial, "You can pay now, or you can pay latter." It's all in the psychology of marketing.

 

[Grouse Feathers]

"0% for 60 is free money too".

This is a buyers rational, and the seller's reason for you to buy. There is no free money. It's all built in to the final cost. Much like the old Fram commercial, "You can pay now, or you can pay latter." It's all in the psychology of marketing.

It's not free, but is is a low interest rate. When I was looking in December the difference in cost on a $20,000 purchase was $700 more for the 60 month 0% interest versus cash. It wasn't worth it to pay cash. This was the cost for the loan on both orange and green. Miranda was advertising an 84 month 0% but the difference was over $2,000. The interest rate was higher even considering the extended period.

 

[rentthis]

I was a banker for a long time. I also ran a finance office for a GM dealership. Having said that, I know the "lay of the land" re: finance. 0% is a marketing tool that works quite well. My considerations are, how much less can I buy the machine for cash or at the standard finance rate. The difference is more often than not, pretty much a wash. If you can get the same finance payment (or very close) figuring 0% against their standard rate, use the standard rate. I say this because you may possibly, later on, decide to trade it in or pay it off early. With 0% there would be no interest to refund. With the standard rate, you would realize a reduction in what you owe. Depending on when you satisfy the contract, this could be a desirable amount. I have had equipment sales people ,not Kubota, tell me that it was the same price both ways. After I 'splained it to them and assured them there were other brands they suddenly understood. 0% is a sales tool and a good one, but it ain't all it's cracked up to be.

 

[Flienlow]

Back on Topic:

My dealer sent me a new ignition switch and.....






Wait for it........




Keep waiting......




Didn't work

 

[koja]

Its most likely a safety switch . Do you know how to bypass them ?

 

[koja]

Search for my post " BX25D not starting by key" some use full info there for you .

 

[Flienlow]

Search for my post " BX25D not starting by key" some use full info there for you .

EDIT: Here is a another Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu3ZO90mkV4
Thanks Koja. I was reading that post. It appears Your issue was that the tractor would not start. From a dead cold start, My tractor (most times) will start right up. (Not always) but most of the time. Its usually when I shut if off that It will not restart easily again.

What I am finding is when I shut it off and it will not restart, I let it set for about 5 minutes (while I am throwing stuff and kicking the dog) and try again it again, it seems to start right up.

I was always a little skeptical about the ignition switch. My unskilled, untrained intuition tells me that there maybe something going on with that solenoid.
It seems that if there is a bad connection, it would not work at all, or be a lot less predictable. Something appears to be "releasing over time" and allowing the tractor to start. There may be something "sticking"...?

If its a switch causing that, it probably is the hst switch. I am just not sure how to check it since it is buried in the tractor.

 

[koja]

It very well could be the starter solenoid . I have had that happen before on a mustang that had headers on it . The starter itself would get hot and not work . After three different starters finally got a good one . It may be the starter solenoid is bad when the engine warms up ? But it could be your fuel shut off solenoid too . Seems like you said when you crank on it when it won't start that there is no exhaust smoke ? Makes me think the fuel shut off solenoid . I posted on this thread earlier on a way to check the shut off solenoid .

 

[koja]

Here's a pic of the fuel shut off solenoid . Left side of engine , on top of the injection pump .

 

[Flienlow]

It very well could be the starter solenoid . I have had that happen before on a mustang that had headers on it . The starter itself would get hot and not work . After three different starters finally got a good one . It may be the starter solenoid is bad when the engine warms up ? But it could be your fuel shut off solenoid too . Seems like you said when you crank on it when it won't start that there is no exhaust smoke ? Makes me think the fuel shut off solenoid . I posted on this thread earlier on a way to check the shut off solenoid .

I was referring to the fuel shut off Solenoid. I dont believe this issue is related to the starter. It works. I will go look further into fuel shutoff. Its probably that or one of the switches that affect it.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Watching a video tells a lot!
It's not electrical!
I'm not a BX expert, but I'm betting your problem is with the fuel system it's either a bad fuel pump (low pressure), plugged filter (there is 2), plugged tank (either supply or vent), or bad Injection pump.
Have you run any sketchy fuel through it?
I'm betting because of the sporadic nature, that it's in the injection pump.
In the video it's cranking fine, fuel stop solenoid is in the right position.

Save yourself and all of us and TAKE IT BACK TO A DEALER to have it properly fixed!!!!!
And It really doesn't matter which dealer, as they all get paid the same from Kubota Corp. to do warranty repairs!

 

[Flienlow]

Issue Resolved
(I think)​

https://youtu.be/VCFKneqQe9g


Per the vid, I had a multiple issue that were masked as 1. My statement in the vid is not quite accurate now that I think about it. In a nut shell the tractor would die and not restart. Let's leave it at that.

I used the foam tape per vid, and that stopped the dieing issue. For some reason it was not a slow die off like if you got off tractor and then manually pushed hst pedal, more of sudden engine stop. So there maybe additional items that come up.Anyhow, when it would die, it would not restart. By manually manipulating the Solenoid, and shutoff valve I must have unstuck something. I didn't need to use excessive force or anything, just what you see in the vid.
I was told by my dealer Service department several times that a Solenoid wouldn't be the issue. And perhaps it was more value than shutoff. Its difficult to determine by "playing" with it. He was troubleshooting over the phone which completely sucks and I applaud him for his efforts.

Thank you to all for your contributions and putting up with Rantings, Bashings, and Nashing of teeth in General.

PS. I am really going to be pissed if it doesnt start now. Logging off and heading to Garage again. (sure it will though)

 

[Flienlow]

Ugh! Too soon. After I let it rest while its still doing it. Fix is the same shake it around and it starts working. I took another video of it I will post later. Seem to be a slight buzzing out of the solenoid so I think that may need to be replaced

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