Kubota BX25 Starting issue.

[OldeEnglish]

I have a hard time believing a B7100 will out power a BX25, but I've never used one. My 7100 doesn't have a FEL, but I would bet a bucket load in a BX with power steering would be much easier to steer than a 7100. I'm sure a BX would power any attachment much better considering the PTO spins at 540. As far as the curl not moving the tractor...I don't think that 1 cylinder was meant to push/pull it with a hoe on the back, up a slope it's not designed to be on. Again I really don't know how one operates, but that my guess. Traction is a problem with any tractor, a set of chains and loaded tires would fix that problem.

You obviously have some buyers remorse along with a pinch of ADD or something. Your crying that it costs a few bills to ship it back to the dealer that porked you. Grow a set and demand them to fix it on site or make them bite the shipping charge. You cried that kubota customer service won't respond to you on Facebook. Did you try calling them and nicely explaining your issues with the dealer and machine? So now your going to trade it it for a different one, take a huge loss, pay them to pick it up... I'm sorry but you make zero sense to me in anything you post.

This poor guy is going to lose his marbles once he gets a Massey with tier 4 emissions. Wouldn't be surprised if he ghost rides this one or the next into the lake!

 

[85Hokie]

I have reading this post for a while......and the more I read the more I just cant resist.....

The front hydraulics are just too anemic for me.
Really??? anemic - you have a 1700 pound machine with a 400 lb bucket and a 700 hoe.....and you want it too pick up a mountain?


The loader doesn't lift high enough, or have enough power

How high do you need to lift ? the side wall of a tandem dump truck ? and a 600lb lift is not enough?

The Bucket curl doesn't have enough power to get the tractor unstuck.

So the bucket needs to be able to get you out of situation that 4wd and diffy lock cannot ? really???

The Electrical system so far is just crap. SO a bad switch makes the whole electrical system crap ???


I find the tires are too small to get any traction - too small ??? really .....funny I have the same machine and i can drive trough a wet creek bed and the only thing keeping my ass going is those small front wheels



The diff lock is completely awkward to engage - do you want a push button?


The hoe swing past a certain point is useless - so you want a a hoe to swing 180 degrees with speed and power too?

The angle of approach for the hoe, low so it always hangs me up.

Outrigger pads are undersized.( never saw that coming) Undersize? are they in mud? or biting in the ground? Rears off the ground or rears touching as they should?

You need this thing wide open throttle to get anything out of it. I will have to agree - power is DIRECTLY proportional to rpms........


I have read from others that this thing "sips fuel" I think its a gas hog. Well mine sips fuel a hellva lot better than a twin cylinder gas engine, hell aint no comparison at all.........


The Seat lock is flimsy crap. Never once had a problem..........lock it and forget about it


But most of all this starting issue has me furious

ok - got that - now lets get on the horn and call and make them come and fix it !

Kubota customer service really couldn't careless. if you post an issue on FB, they delete it. Fine by me.

If you guys love your Kubotas more power to you. I take no issue, and really appreciate the help offered. Really? you do? - what I have seen is ....well good advice thrown out the window

I think I am going to get this thing running good for the next guy and dump it for a Mahindra,Massey or Deere (something that runs)

Please do....and quickly - because I have said many times to those that bitch about everything around them "you would complain if they hung you with a new rope!"

By all means - tell us what else it frustrating you ! For a 20K machine - I find mine almost bullet proof, but then again I dont place it into a situation that would require more from it than it is designed to do!

You my friend need to buy a new $250,000 trackhoe or track loader! They make them in yellow and all other colors.

 

[koja]

Ok guys, we have all forgotten the reason for this forum and that is to help other members out with our knowledge and experience if we can . Even though someone is not liking orange we should still try to help . Believe me , I'll put my BX25D up against any other brand out there and have a good idea mine would come out on top . But that being said , this forum is no different than any other . But we should strive to make it as good as our machines are and be impartial as we do . I know its hard,,,, but this forum has a wealth of knowledge and absolutely the best members out there .
I know the best advice for this guy is to have the dealer handle it . And I agree . So having said all of this I myself am going to leave this posting alone for awhile . I hope he gets his machine fixed .
I hope I haven't made any enemies by what I just said .

 

[Dr Honda]

85Hokie: WELL SAID !!!


Although... I don't like where the diff lock is either. With a boot on... it's hard to hit. I wish it was on the floor board, by the brake.

 

[Flienlow]

Really??? anemic - you have a 1700 pound machine with a 400 lb bucket and a 700 hoe.....and you want it too pick up a mountain?

If you are calling a steel fence post a mountain, then yes.


How high do you need to lift ? the side wall of a tandem dump truck ? and a 600lb lift is not enough?
No, just the side of a 5X10 landscape trailer.

So the bucket needs to be able to get you out of situation that 4wd and diffy lock cannot ? really???
Really. Have you even spun all 4 tires? Ever high center or sink a tractor?

The Electrical system so far is just crap. SO a bad switch makes the whole electrical system crap ???
No, but 2 - 3 may constitute that?


really .....funny I have the same machine and i can drive trough a wet creek bed and the only thing keeping my ass going is those small front wheels
Well that settles it, small tires win.



The diff lock is completely awkward to engage - do you want a push button?

No, if it was more on the floor board where an operator could easily reach it, and staying engaged it would be great


The hoe swing past a certain point is useless - so you want a a hoe to swing 180 degrees with speed and power too?
No, I just want it to be able to move to its full swing.(with relative speed)

Undersize? are they in mud? or biting in the ground? Rears off the ground or rears touching as they should?
No, just soft ground. They sink in just about everything except for extremely hard surfaces.

You need this thing wide open throttle to get anything out of it. I will have to agree - power is DIRECTLY proportional to rpms........

Especially on this tractor. Other not so much.

Well mine sips fuel a hellva lot better than a twin cylinder gas engine, hell aint no comparison at all.........

I wasn't talking about a gas engine. Like kind comparison to other machine I have ran.

The Seat lock is flimsy crap. Never once had a problem..........lock it and forget about it
I have had to bend my tabs on several occasions already.


But most of all this starting issue has me furious

ok - got that - now lets get on the horn and call and make them come and fix it !

Really? you do? - what I have seen is ....well good advice thrown out the window

Please do....and quickly - because I have said many times to those that bitch about everything around them "you would complain if they hung you with a new rope!"
And free (EDIT DELETED)!.

By all means - tell us what else it frustrating you ! For a 20K machine - I find mine almost bullet proof, but then again I dont place it into a situation that would require more from it than it is designed to do!
Like Creek beds or in the garage like mine?

You my friend need to buy a new $250,000 trackhoe or track loader! They make them in yellow and all other colors.[/QUOTE
I hear they start and stay running too.

85Hokie: WELL SAID !!!
Although... I don't like where the diff lock is either. With a boot on... it's hard to hit. I wish it was on the floor board, by the brake.

Quit spitting on the orange. they are perfect and I am completely (EDIT) full of it.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Flienlow, I think you have poked a hornets nest, you might want to reconsider your approach to things as a lot of people are here to help, but not a lot of people want to hear you just "Complain" about every perceived deficiency on your tractor.

So you got what you think is the biggest Kubota Lemon in history, please send all future complaints to Kubota Corp and not bash all of us for it.
Now if you would like help in fixing you issues as politely.

And Flienlow, and everyone else.
Please Keep it family friendly, or it will be done.

 

[Mork]

When I went shopping for a new tractor I took a lot of things into consideration. Quality and resale value were high on my list. A good friend of mine had a BX25 for a couple of years and he works it hard. He identified the little nuisance items like the front tire issue etc. but swears by the machine. The only competitors locally were the Kioti and Mahindra lines. The Kioti CS2410 was $2G cheaper than the BX and the Max 25 was $3G more. I really liked the Kioti and it came with the 3 point hitch system. The Kioti dealer is also a very reputable and solid business which were very good at explaining the pro's and con's of the CS. The Mahindra was just to darn expensive. I decided to go with the BX based on resale value and reliability. The few issues I have had with it will be worked out in short order and I am confident that this little beast will fit right in at the country home. I am also sure that had I gone with Mahindra or Kioti, I would have had similar bugs to work out. These are complex machines that are going to have glitches.

Jim

 

[Daren Todd]

The starting issue, I would be frustrated with. But would have the dealer out there fixing it. Even if I had to pay the 75$ road call charge.

Couple questions on where your operating it.

Are the complaints about traction and the operating issues happening on the slope from your earlier thread? That hill looked lime it would give a mountain goat fits

What type of tires are you using?

Has there been a lot of rain? Operating near a leech field for a septic?

Type of soil where your operating it in?

How wet has it been? My property, there's one spot where it stays wet all year from leaching from the neighbors septic. It's a pita, but I can't use anything in that area to dig besides a trackhoe. A back hoe will bury itself. Doesn't matter how big or small it is.

Is there a bent cylinder on the back hoe slowing down operation when it reaches a certain point in the swing?

Have you considered shimming the hydraulics for a little more butt?

 

[sawmill]

In '07 I bought a new BX24 and now have 600+ hrs on it. The only problem I've had is I had to replace the HST cooling fan. (my own fault). I replaced the battery last year. I had to adjust the seat safety switch once. Other than that the tractor is flawless. I new what I wanted when I bought it, and it does EXACTLY what I want it to do. It is unbelievable what this little machine can do! Even my wife says it is the purchase we have ever made. If I were to ever buy another tractor, it would definitely be a Kubota.

 

[Flienlow]

The starting issue, I would be frustrated with. But would have the dealer out there fixing it. Even if I had to pay the 75$ road call charge.

Couple questions on where your operating it.

Are the complaints about traction and the operating issues happening on the slope from your earlier thread? That hill looked lime it would give a mountain goat fits

yes, I brought in a small amount of fill on the back side of house to fill in for a hot tub area. I got a little too close to the edge of fill, sank and high centered. This is where i curled the buck and put it down and it would not curl back and get me out. 4 tires spinning and it didn't have the power to get me out. I ended up using the hoe to pull myself out. But I cant tell you how many times I have used the curl on other tractors. That and now that I think about it, I noticed that whenever I fully dump the loader, it kind of sticks down, and the tractor hesitates before curling it back up.

What type of tires are you using? R4

Has there been a lot of rain? Operating near a leech field for a septic? No, I really dont operate this tractor in the rain. No real need.

Type of soil where your operating it in? Glacial till, but where I got stuck whe I was moving some import on the front side of my house to the back.

How wet has it been? My property, there's one spot where it stays wet all year from leaching from the neighbors septic. It's a pita, but I can't use anything in that area to dig besides a trackhoe. A back hoe will bury itself. Doesn't matter how big or small it is. No

Is there a bent cylinder on the back hoe slowing down operation when it reaches a certain point in the swing? No, I dont think so since it happens in on both sides. Does yours not do that? From straight out mine swings fine from straight out, till about 30 degrees or so, then it gets really slow?


Have you considered shimming the hydraulics for a little more butt?

I did, I am running about 2000lbs+ full throttle. but that was a complete waste of money imho. I have not noticed any "noticeable" improvement at all. in fact, almost seems like it had the opposite affect. But these things are very difficult to tell. You try to get unstuck one day, you move concrete blocks the next. How do you compare?

 

[sawmill]

The front hydraulics are just too anemic for me.
The loader doesn't lift high enough, or have enough power
The Bucket curl doesn't have enough power to get the tractor unstuck.
The Electrical system so far is just crap.
I find the tires are too small to get any traction
The diff lock is completely awkward to engage
The hoe swing past a certain point is useless
The angle of approach for the hoe, low so it always hangs me up.
Outrigger pads are undersized.( never saw that coming)
You need this thing wide open throttle to get anything out of it.
I have read from others that this thing "sips fuel" I think its a gas hog.
The Seat lock is flimsy crap.
But most of all this starting issue has me furious.


Maybe you would be better off with something like this.

 

[Daren Todd]

I don't have a backhoe, my tractor is a plain jane 2wd baby "L" model that's 15hp and almost 40 years old. No fel either I've rented a back hoe a couple of times. One was a small kubota "B**" backhoe. Ran full speed and plenty of power but it was also twice the size of a bx. Neighbor across the field has a bx with the backhoe and he really get's it with his. He did some work for another neighbor who is a green fan and made an orange fan out of him

Had a 20,000 lb deere backhoe at the house last year. The operator ended up finding a soft spot in the yard. Took us two hours, a rick of firewood, and two people in the cabin working tandom to get it out of the yard. I was running the back hoe, and the other guy was running the front bucket, steering, and controlling the tires. Sometimes if it's just right, curling the bucket doesn't do squat to get one unstuck

I'm thinking you just need to talk to the dealer, get him to fix the warranty. Spend $10 for a shim kit for the hydraulics, and take some time to learn the limits of the machine

 

[Flienlow]

I'm thinking you just need to talk to the dealer, get him to fix the warranty. Spend $10 for a shim kit for the hydraulics, and take some time to learn the limits of the machine

you must have missed it, I have already Shimmed the PRV.

 

[Daren Todd]

Yup, I did miss that

 

[armylifer]

The Dealer is 4 hours away. I could have it shipped to a local dealer but it would cost me $200 just to get it there. I might as well buy any parts and just install it myself.

As far as baby and bath water? This tractor has left me so disgusted, I stand by my statements. If it started up every time, I still wouldn't like it, but that doesn't solve my issue.

I am curious; you list your location as Snohomish. That is very near one of the largest dealers in the state of Washington, Sound Tractor Company. That is not 4 hours away from Snohomish. In fact, it is not even 4 hours away from me. I am in Yelm, WA and that is almost 100 miles from Everett (three counties away), where Sound Tractor is located. You are in the same county as Sound Tractor. If you have a warranty, you can take that tractor to any dealer, no matter where you bought it. I know this because I had warranty work done on mine at a different dealer than I bought it from. This was because I moved out of my original dealer's area. The new dealer was more than happy to perform the warranty work even though I did not buy it from him. BTW, the new dealer came out and transported the tractor to his shop for free. I did not have one penny come out of pocket for transportation or anything else. In case you are curious as to what happened to my tractor; it was a broken radiator cooling fan that took out the radiator. All was fixed for free under warranty.

 

[D2Cat]

armylifer, I would speculate if original poster went to the near by tractor dealer you mentioned and treated them the way he responds to comments on this forum, he may have wore out his welcome there! Maybe why he went on down the road. If they(nearby dealer) HAS to do the work, maybe they'll wait 'till Christmas to start?

 

[armylifer]

armylifer, I would speculate if original poster went to the near by tractor dealer you mentioned and treated them the way he responds to comments on this forum, he may have wore out his welcome there! Maybe why he went on down the road. If they(nearby dealer) HAS to do the work, maybe they'll wait 'till Christmas to start?

The only point that I was trying to make is that there are other dealer choices; not just the one that you happened to buy the tractor from.

 

[D2Cat]

I got your point, I'm just saying some bridges may have been burned.

 

[skeets]

If he spoke to them like ,,well you know I would say they weren't burned but totally blown away

 

[Flienlow]

I got your point, I'm just saying some bridges may have been burned.

D2- I have never attacked anyone of this forum.

No bridges were burned with Sound Tractor either. I am sure if go down there the same nice gentleman will tell me the same story for the 6th time about his buddy who was a contractor that said " IF YOU GIVE ME THE TRACTOR, I WILL BUY THE GOLD CHAIN TO WHERE IT AROUND MY NECK." - In reference to the BX25. The story goes on to where his buddy actually buys one after he retires ect. Then Comes back to apologize for mocking such a worthy, capable machine.
- You know, a common theme amongst BX25 Brethren.

Personally, I just don't see it. It has not been my experience. Oh I read about it, and hear the stories. I thought I was buying a machine of my youth. I remember what that small machine did back then, and I would be a complete liar if I didn't say that I am more surprised at what my BX wont do that what it will do. Sorry if you guys bleed orange,and are offended by this, but I think I have been pretty honest in my assessment.
Try to pull a 1/2" 2' steel rod out the dirt - Wouldn't do it.
Try to lift a 4 cyl chev boat engine out of a boat. Wouldn't do it.
Dies on me in the middle of a county road and wont restart.
Gets stuck in the dirt and the loader does not have sufficient power to get it unstuck.

Anyway, I don't feel Sound is obligated by fix my tractor or pick it up for free. I bought where I bought because it made sense and I saved more than just a little on it. There is a good chance I could sell this tractor for reasonably close to what i paid for it.
My dealer has decided to send me a new switch. We had a productive conversation, and they are well aware of my position on this and do want this issue resolved. I will install it and go from there.