replace cooling fan for hydro unit on bx1860

nedobs

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Is it a hard job to get the drive shaft off to install a new fan for cools hyro pump. I moved it to replace fan belt but seems like this is going to be much harder to get the shaft off ?? Any ideas a stick jumped up and took the fan blades off so i ordered a new one hope it not to complicated ?? Any helpful hints ??:)
 

Stubbyie

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Uncertain of the exact model(s) involved but this problem has recurred on this Forum over time.

Learn how to and do a search of this Forum using your model number and some assorted buzz words as search terms and you'll get some good returns.

One poster on here came up with a novel idea how to replace his hydrostatic cooling fan without having to disassemble the entire machine. My memory is that there have been several methods presented with varying degrees of complexity.

Another poster here I think has for sale after-market guards to prevent exactly what happened to you. Another search...

Good luck and please post back your continuing experiences so we may all learn.
 

skeets

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This was done on a BX25 and should be the same as the BX1860, fast forward to around 15 min mark, and Paul shows everything you need to do it, a lot of parts have to come off but some time and a little luck you wont have any problems.... I have heard of a guy splitting the fan into 2 pices and placeing it in plac then super glueing it back together, I don;t know how well it worked
Best to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX5EncUkSQo
 

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Is it a hard job to get the drive shaft off to install a new fan for cools hyro pump. I moved it to replace fan belt but seems like this is going to be much harder to get the shaft off ?? Any ideas a stick jumped up and took the fan blades off so i ordered a new one hope it not to complicated ?? Any helpful hints ??:)
Hi I replaced one on a Bx2230 which I think is the same. If you can block it up front and rear, take the floor pan off as the shaft comes out through the top then go under and start taking parts off. When you have the shaft off take a good look at the boots on the drive shaft. It's not a hard job but it does take a little patience at times when taking one of the little brackets off on the left side. I didn't remove the floor pan completely I removed all the bolts and used a bungee strap and tied it to the steering wheel. Hope this helps you have fun Barry.
 

kenbx1860

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i have been trying to find out how the best way to take apart. what ive seen is, and as has been said hear, the seat, floor boards off, pedals, etc. hood and schrounds, motor up three inches and forward two inches to get the shaft disconnected. seems like alot of time. MY cv boots are cracked and i think it is as much work as changing hydro fan. so if you take all apart change those boots because both are under ten dollars. i was wondering if hydro might come off easyer than motor out. waiting to see if anyone has tried that.
 

skeets

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WATCH THIS!!!! around the 15 min mark you will begin to show how its done, and you DO NOT have to jack the motor up 3 inches. It not a hard job but a bit of a long one to get where you need to be. Once there it is a piece of cake and you can replace the cv boots too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX5EncUkSQo
 

TripleR

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The video by Paul won't help as the tractor on which he is working is BXxx00 which is much easier than the BXxx60, we have a BX2200 and BX2660 and had the fan replaced on the 2200. The mechanic said to be glad it wasn't on the 2660 as it's much harder.
 

kenbx1860

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No not even close, a heck of a lot more work to remove the entire rear end just to get the hydro out. :eek:
your prob right, job done, had to buy hoist as did not have one, all tin off, motor had to be lifted, motor lift was easyest, anyone doing this has to remove bolts around cooling fan housing and lift it up slowly with motor. it took me prob around thirteen hours to change parts. but got a new hoist for shop. Sprayed boots with silicone sealer. no parts left over and feels good to be done. I would think anyone takeing on this job should have a mechanical background. I had wached pauls video and does help but not the same tractor.
 

J.Stiles

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I have the BX 2660, when I bought it, that fan for the transaxle broke the first time I pushed a brushpile...I bought a new fan but couldn't get the shaft out. So it has been 6 years without it. But yesterday the fan/alt belt broke. This will probably beyond me to replace yes? Thanks for any help.
 

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I have the BX 2660, when I bought it, that fan for the transaxle broke the first time I pushed a brushpile...I bought a new fan but couldn't get the shaft out. So it has been 6 years without it. But yesterday the fan/alt belt broke. This will probably beyond me to replace yes? Thanks for any help.
I don't think you can press it to run another 6 years without the fan belt, go to Kubotabooks.com and download the WSM for your tractor, it will walk you threw the repair procedure.
 

kenbx1860

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well here we go again. I posted in april 2015 about the work to change the seals on my bx1860 hydro drive shaft. but i replaced them as they were shot. checking over the tractor I see the seals are cracked and starting to separate already. I have put only about another 100 hrs on tractor since this. it is never out of the garage unless I am using it. I have sprayed the seals with a silicone rubber protectant a few times but I see this has not helped. is there better seals out there. changing the seals every couple years is ridiculous. is there something I should be doing different. HELP
 

lugbolt

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Take the engine out. It's a LOT easier than removing the floors. The engine comes out pretty easily. Then you can power wash under there-which is commonly needed. I've done fans in under 2 hours by removing the engine.
 

jcy110

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I cannot believe that they didn't use a 2 piece slip shaft with a bolt or a pin that when removed would allow the shaft to be shortened and easily removed.....too much work involved to replace a plastic HST fan or the alt/water pump fan belt. Seems everyone is complaining about something that should take 30-60min to do, and Kubota does nothing to fix engineering issues like this is sad.....
 
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kenbx1860

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I had to lift the engine anyway last time. after I had removed all the tin work , controls and all. so lifting the engine first as it has to be removed anyway may very well give the shaft enough room to be removed. so that will be the plan next time. will let this forum know if that works and how much time it saves. the motor does come out in only a couple hours. in theory it should save about 8 hours work. thanks for the idea
 

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I like the idea of splitting fan with two bolt holes each side and stitch together with 2 zip ties each side

Could add glue also but I see me making mess trying that

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lugbolt

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I cannot believe that they didn't use a 2 piece slip shaft with a bolt or a pin that when removed would allow the shaft to be shortened and easily removed.....too much work involved to replace a plastic HST fan or the alt/water pump fan belt. Seems everyone is complaining about something that should take 30-60min to do, and Kubota does nothing to fix engineering issues like this is sad.....

The older G series mowers has a spline at the front of the shaft, where it connected to the engine. This was so that the shaft could move a little while the rubber engine mounts could deflect a little bit. The problem is this: The spline needs a grease fitting on it so that the spline doesn't wear itself out. The fitting is a bear to get to. Nobody ever greased it, it gets rusty, wears out and next thing you know they're cussing & carrying on about how much of a pile of feces design it is. But you could change a fan on them without removing the engine, at least on some of them.

There is a lot more than just adding a slip joint in the middle so you can change the fan. Then you also have to add a support of some sort, with a bearing. Two or three more places for failure-not to mention the additional cost to manufacture and then theres also the extra money that's paid in at the time of purchase that would go into the warranty repair pot. That's how warranty works. The tractor might only have a build cost of $5000 for example, but since they have to stand behind the product, they add in another, say, $1500 to the purchase price, and that $1500 goes to warranty repairs. Some people need all $1500 and then some, others need none. The bean counters have this stuff figured out; and all manufacturers do the same thing, whether it be a car/truck, airplane, or push mower. While in the subject of warranty, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 80% of "warranty" claims are not in fact "warranty"-they're many times results of neglect, abuse, or use of the machine in such a way that it was not designed to be used, that kind of thing. But the dealers-and manufacturer-bend over backwards to make sure you're satisfied, within reason. Every tractor comes with a warranty statement booklet and I think 98% of people wipe their butt with it after taking a dump and flush it-and that's about the most use it gets. You would be surprised how many times I get the call that this problem should be under warranty-when it states right in that green and white book that his particular problem is NOT warrantable (great example: pick up and delivery and service calls). Read that booklet. There's some good information in there; but I think some folks know that the info inside is "not what they want to hear", and chunk it in the trash.

Back to engineering issues. Have you worked as an engineer? It's a catch 22 process. Design it so it's easy to work on, and it ups the cost. And makes it more complex. And makes more failure points. So in order to make it less problematic in the long run for MOST owners, it's a solid shaft with zero failure points other than the fan. And that fan is the ONLY thing that cools the HST as there is no oil cooler on these little tractors. No place for one really, not without adding tubes, hoses, changing up the radiator, again more failure points, more expense, and more stuff for people to gripe about. The B series has all of it, but it costs more and is a little bigger. Something else for owners to gripe about. We all want a full featured baby tractor because it's manuverable and cheap, but when the time comes to have to work on it, we all (even the techs) gripe about how hard they are to work on. The whole process from the drawing board to production is really interesting. It's not a simple, "hey lets put something together and sell it"....I think I could possibly design one, but it would weigh 45,000 lbs, be 29 feet long, 18 feet high, 12 feet wide, and cost $90,000. But you could work on it and it probably would not break. But who's gonna buy it when X manufacturer has the exact same thing, that looks 10x better, smaller, lighter, more maneuverable, and costs $11,000?
 
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