B3200, no fuel shut off? Changing filter

[digg71]

I have been a bit under the weather the last couple days. Finally got out in garage today to change the fuel filter to finish up a full servicing of my B3200 and noticed there appears not to be a fuel shut off. I watched Vic's video and it looked easy, but might turn out to be fun without a shutoff. Any ideas anybody? Thanks in advance for any and all comments or suggestions.

Jim

 

[traildust]

I have been a bit under the weather the last couple days. Finally got out in garage today to change the fuel filter to finish up a full servicing of my B3200 and noticed there appears not to be a fuel shut off. I watched Vic's video and it looked easy, but might turn out to be fun without a shutoff. Any ideas anybody? Thanks in advance for any and all comments or suggestions.

Jim

Hey there Jim!
I think the shut off valves might be for tractors a few generations before ours.

If I remember right, the owners manual says to make sure the tank is low, like a 1/4? Then with filter bowl removed the fuel should not continuously flow.


When are you planning on changing your filter? I was actually planning on changing mine on Thursday, my day off. Sounds like my B7610 is the same design as yours. I know what your next question is going to be. What about the bleeding? I'll let you know how mine goes after I find out.

Scott

 

[kurt]

Jim,

I'm so new at my L2350 that I hesitate to offer a response. But, I can tell you my unit does not have a shut off either. So, hoping for the best, I had the new one ready and fuel really gushed out with the old one off. I screwed the new one on 80% but left enough room that I could see it was filling and overflowing with fuel before finally tightening. It has run fine (5 hrs) since with no bleeding needed. Messy, but done in less than a minute.

kurt

 

[traildust]

Jim,

I'm so new at my L2350 that I hesitate to offer a response. But, I can tell you my unit does not have a shut off either. So, hoping for the best, I had the new one ready and fuel really gushed out with the old one off. I screwed the new one on 80% but left enough room that I could see it was filling and overflowing with fuel before finally tightening. It has run fine (5 hrs) since with no bleeding needed. Messy, but done in less than a minute.

kurt

Sorry you had to take a fuel bath.
Just wondering what the fuel tank level was at when you changed the filter.
Your method works without having to bleed. Being quick draw with everything ready I'm sure is a plus.

Thanks,
Scott

 

[kurt]

Scott,

Not exactly sure of fuel level, but I know it was at least 1/2 tank. My manual never mentioned anything about getting tank down to 1/4 level. Probably lost a quart of fuel.

kurt

 

[traildust]

If you can get a small set of needle nose vise grips onto the rubber fuel line that comes from the tank to the filter bowl, you can gently squeeze the fuel flow off on models that are without a fuel shut off petcock and proceed with filter changing.

Better than getting drenched in diesel! I'll have to get Mr. K to edit that video!

Hey Vic, thanks for that easily overlooked tip. Didn't think about that.

Thank you for all the hard work and effort you and Mr. K put into this. We really appreciate it very much!

Scott

 

[digg71]

haha.......I was logging on to brag about my needle nose vise grip trick I just did out in garage and i see Vic beat me to it...lol Works great, just screw new filter and bowl on a couple of treads like Vic did in the video, then pop off vise grips just as filter is 1/2 full or so and quickly finish treading bowl on. Mine overflowed a little bit, but not bad, had a rag ready.
Thank you Vic for the slick bleeding tip on your video, worked perfectly. I am still amazed at how helpful and friendly eveyone is on this site. Thanks again everyone for your help.

Jim

 

[traildust]

Ok there Jim,
I know it's past the point but I found the note in my owners manual reference the fuel tank level and filter change. It's in the same section for the filter change.

"When the fuel filter bowl has been removed, fuel stops flowing from the tank. If the fuel is almost full, however, the fuel will flow back from the fuel return pipe to the fuel filter. Before checking, make sure the fuel tank is less than half-full."

Using this method would result in having to bleed the injectors. I'd rather get the bucket, vice grips and rags. No bleeding.

Scott

 

[kurt]

Great.....now you tell me. Live and learn.

I just hope Vic and Mr. K don't use names in their videos.

kurt

 

[Rusty46]

Ok there Jim,
I know it's past the point but I found the note in my owners manual reference the fuel tank level and filter change. It's in the same section for the filter change.

"When the fuel filter bowl has been removed, fuel stops flowing from the tank. If the fuel is almost full, however, the fuel will flow back from the fuel return pipe to the fuel filter. Before checking, make sure the fuel tank is less than half-full."

Using this method would result in having to bleed the injectors. I'd rather get the bucket, vice grips and rags. No bleeding.

Scott

I have almost 1,100 hours on my B7500 and have inspected and/or changed the fuel filter everytime the maintenance schedule specifies. I follow the Kubota procedure quoted above and have never had to bleed the injectors. The tractor has restarted with no extra effort each time.

 

[digg71]

Cool, thanks for info Rusty46.

 

[joekimtkd]

I've bought inline primary Fuel filter (Car Quest : CFI 86002 5/16”). ($4.09/tx) and Fuel shut off valve from Snow mobile dealer (Artic Cat) for $19.99/tx. Since mine was 5/16" fuel hose, I had a hard time to find that small fuel shut off valve though.

That inline fuel filter wasn't that expensive than Kubota fuel filter, I could change that filter more often~!

And I used fuel shut off valve to shut off the fuel and doing all the work necessity and open again to fill up the original fuel cup and so on... It is very nice to have one~!

Joe.

 

[traildust]

I've bought inline primary Fuel filter (Car Quest : CFI 86002 5/16”). ($4.09/tx) and Fuel shut off valve from Snow mobile dealer (Artic Cat) for $19.99/tx. Since mine was 5/16" fuel hose, I had a hard time to find that small fuel shut off valve though.

That inline fuel filter wasn't that expensive than Kubota fuel filter, I could change that filter more often~!

And I used fuel shut off valve to shut off the fuel and doing all the work necessity and open again to fill up the original fuel cup and so on... It is very nice to have one~!

Joe.

Pictures would be nice


Scott

 

[handyman]

Digg71 Im just an OLD country boy. I look at the hose size grab a couple of bolts just a very little larger than the fuel line . Pull that line off stick a bolt in it bingo no fuel comes out and dont take a chance of messing the fuel shutoff up. I have been known to have a hose clamp nearby in case my eyes deceive me on the hose size. If its a metal line (wooden peg) Joke ha ha.good luck handy

 

[digg71]

Handyman, I have used the "bolt in line" technique before...haha. Every other season, I used to clean and inspect my snowmobile carbs. Now, both of the sleds my girlfriend have are fuel injected so I dont mess with those too much. But, If I was going to have carbs off sleds for a long period of time, I would pop fuel lines off, plug them with bolts, do my servicing and put everything back together.
I thought about putting a shut off valve in, but that is just another set of connections to possibly leak or accidentally come loose in future. Then add a inline filter to the mix, and that adds yet another connection to the mix. Simple is sometimes better.
It is amazing though how many different ideas and ways of doing things each and every one of has. Pretty creative us humans are...haha
I have to say it again, as a new member on here, I am still excited about how friendly and willing to help everyone on this forum is, great place to be. I have been on motorcycling and snowmobile forums where people literally scream at you because you should already know how to do this or that, or make you feel like dirt because you didn't use the search feature before you posted.

Jim

 

[traildust]

I have almost 1,100 hours on my B7500 and have inspected and/or changed the fuel filter everytime the maintenance schedule specifies. I follow the Kubota procedure quoted above and have never had to bleed the injectors. The tractor has restarted with no extra effort each time.

That's interesting. So when you drop the bowl no fuel comes out then when you screw the thing back there must be some air in it.....am I right? Probably I am not.

When you begin resembling the filter bowl does fuel begin flowing through it again?

I have read on other posts that people run the engine for about 5 minutes and then it dies and they have to bleed the injectors.

On my Dodge Cummins, after a fuel filter replacement, I turn the key as if I'm starting the engine but don't let it start then leave the ignition "ON". The fuel pump runs for 25 seconds and purges the fuel and air. I do this per the manual three times and it runs fine.

Thanks,
Scott

 

[traildust]

Now, both of the sleds my girlfriend have are fuel injected

Your girlfriend has two snow mobiles? That's bad ass!

Sometimes I'd rather have two snow mobiles than a wife

Scott

 

[digg71]

traildust...lol, I don't know how to "quote" yet, but it should have read....both of the sleds my girlfriend AND I have are fuel injected...haha.

 

[traildust]

traildust...lol, I don't know how to "quote" yet, but it should have read....both of the sleds my girlfriend AND I have are fuel injected...haha.

Oh, I get it. Funny how two little words change the whole meaning.

By the way, I still haven't changed my mind. I'd rather have the snowmobiles instead of a nag

 

[Rusty46]

That's interesting. So when you drop the bowl no fuel comes out then when you screw the thing back there must be some air in it.....am I right? Probably I am not.

When you begin resembling the filter bowl does fuel begin flowing through it again?

I have read on other posts that people run the engine for about 5 minutes and then it dies and they have to bleed the injectors.

On my Dodge Cummins, after a fuel filter replacement, I turn the key as if I'm starting the engine but don't let it start then leave the ignition "ON". The fuel pump runs for 25 seconds and purges the fuel and air. I do this per the manual three times and it runs fine.

Thanks,
Scott

Scott, on my B7500 a few ounces of fuel spills out while unscrewing the fuel bowl. Actual fuel flow stops before the bowl is completely unscrewed. I place a container below the bowl to capture the leakage. I empty the bowl, remove the old filter element and wipe it clean before reassembly of the new element. Fuel starts flowing again while I am screwing the bowl back on (container still below bowl). Usually, the bowl is full of fuel and leaking before I get it on tight. Trapped air has never been a problem for me. Note correct installation of the small and large O-rings during disassembly. Don't lose them, as they don't come with the filter cartridge. I bought spares when I bought my last filter. I also bought a spare filter in case I ever have to do an emergency field replacement.