Fixing hole in side of block

[Henro]

I have little doubt that Joe is doing this repair/engine rebuild/repaint, for the sole purpose of flipping the little Kubota.
Most of us would do this work (for ourselves) in the very best way possible.
Joe, apparently has a different mindset/goal.

You could be right. But who cares?

All I know is I have come to conclusions in the past without really knowing why, and I have been wrong.

BUT even if you are right...so what? Except that if you are right, too bad for the purchaser perhaps, ...that much is certainly true.

But it is all speculation at this point. Maybe he will post the tractor for sale here at OTT!

I do have to agree if I were doing the work for my own use, I would not probably worry about paint...

 

[RCW]

You could be right. But who cares?

All I know is I have come to conclusions in the past without really knowing why, and I have been wrong.

BUT even if you are right...so what? Except that if you are right, too bad for the purchaser perhaps, ...that much is certainly true.

But it is all speculation at this point. Maybe he will post the tractor for sale here at OTT!

I do have to agree if I were doing the work for my own use, I would not probably worry about paint...

There’s a few members that account for a majority of responses to Joe’s project.

Those members are usually derogatory and offer nothing beyond ridicule.

Probably something they feel a need to do. Makes them feel important.

I won’t engage in that type of behavior nor condone same.

Like you, I may not do Joe’s project the same today.

There was a time I got something done as best I could with my own resources.

 

[jaxs]

Joe hasn't said what he plans to do with these tractors so what I say is directed at what on lookers were overheard to say.
To say it's ok and buyer beware when selling something that has been jerry-rigged is shameful. To publicly preen about one's high morals then turn around and say it's ok to put one over on unsuspecting buyers exposes their true character.

 

[Russell King]

@joesmith123 for testing for water leaks they sell radiator caps with pumps to pressurize the system. I have no idea how much pressure is applied but I think it would be around 10 to 13 PSI since that is what the regular radiator cap is designed to hold. Here is an example

https://www.amazon.com/ADAFIRST-Radiator-Automotive-Detection-Motorcycles/dp/B09YTB97KB/ref=asc_df_B09YTB97KB?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80470696699083&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584070167892366&th=1

That much pressure will exert a lot of force distributed over the surface area of the internal passages so be careful that you don’t get it too high in PSI.

I assume you could cap off the openings with some rubber caps but they would expand and probably blow off or out.

I would probably try to replace the radiator with suitable tube or pipe that can pressurize the system through that.

 

[joesmith123]

Fixing all leak, experimenting with jb weld capabilities

Brand new gasket governor

Cubby hole: I don't see a gasket, make gasket with the red tube

Also, I try bending back governor spring, see it bent in picture

Red gasket maker on cubby hole

Put cubby hole and governor cover, spread gasket maker with finger

Possibly solved seesaw idle:

The spring was upside down, I flipped spring and it is in the natural state, seem hopeful

 

[Chanceywd]

Fixing all leak, experimenting with jb weld capabilities

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Brand new gasket governor

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Cubby hole: I don't see a gasket, make gasket with the red tube

Also, I try bending back governor spring, see it bent in picture

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Red gasket maker on cubby hole

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Put cubby hole and governor cover, spread gasket maker with finger

Possibly solved seesaw idle:

The spring was upside down, I flipped spring and it is in the natural state, seem hopeful

When using that silicone material for a gasket you should apply it all around each bolt hole. If you look at a pre-made gasket you will see what I mean. Otherwise there is a possible path for oil to get to the bolt hole and then out around the bolt.

 

[Ktrim]

What's in the pipe

 

[fried1765]

Joe hasn't said what he plans to do with these tractors so what I say is directed at what on lookers were overheard to say.
To say it's ok and buyer beware when selling something that has been jerry-rigged is shameful. To publicly preen about one's high morals then turn around and say it's ok to put one over on unsuspecting buyers exposes their true character.

Yeah,......but Joe is using JB weld for some repairs.
Isn't that OEM ?

 

[joesmith123]

File down jb weld, keep knocking out leak one at a time

File flange crack

Theory on why this crack occur: must of had water, not coolant, and a deep freeze unexpectedly froze up all cooling system expanding water

File exhaust manifold

Now: put water in it somehow and seal it up moderately, start it up

I'll use hose clamp and look for junk to seal the line that fit hole

Go through junk, rig up seal

Put water inside engine, rig up plumbing, turn on engine look for leaks, spray soapy water

Hit with part cleaner then air

Now you can see any leak, soap bottle ready

Before I start it: imagine that the spring was on backward, and when she fire she purr with no more seesaw

Big water crack, did not push out any vapor, jb weld holding water leak, unbelievable

And it was true: that leak was the big culprit, only tiny water leak left on water pump

My exhaust leak fix worked, but paint bubbling signaling more exhaust leak somewhere else

Could the narrative be true that: one can seal engine with just jb weld and a brush, permanently...

Video: solved the seesaw idle with flipping spring, water leak pretty much all gone, tiny leak on gearcase i try to show you

woah: jb weld, a brush, and a file could solve tons of our issues, i cant believe it myself

bigger narrative: that next part that show up in the mail aint your problem, the problem was solveable the whole time and took zero dollar cost, I just had blindspot not letting me see true narrative

Douse in diesel, hit with abrasives of all kind, fixing mistake of too much paint

douse whole area with big brush diesel, go through with every abrasive get rid of all paint, files are mvp, hit hard with compressed air, hit with part cleaner, take break, do it again

later: start it up again, spray soap water, document leak, clean area, use sealing techniques just discovered to completely seal engine, paint engine (small coat)

 

[D2Cat]

I had an L2050 that the previous owner let freeze. This is what the oil pan looked like.

 

[drygulch]

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Red gasket maker on cubby hole

Looks like Kubota Orange gasket maker.

 

[fried1765]

File down jb weld, keep knocking out leak one at a time

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File flange crack

Theory on why this crack occur: must of had water, not coolant, and a deep freeze unexpectedly froze up all cooling system expanding water

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File exhaust manifold

Now: put water in it somehow and seal it up moderately, start it up

I'll use hose clamp and look for junk to seal the line that fit hole


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Go through junk, rig up seal

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Put water inside engine, rig up plumbing, turn on engine look for leaks, spray soapy water

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Hit with part cleaner then air

Now you can see any leak, soap bottle ready

Before I start it: imagine that the spring was on backward, and when she fire she purr with no more seesaw

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Big water crack, did not push out any vapor, jb weld holding water leak, unbelievable

And it was true: that leak was the big culprit, only tiny water leak left on water pump

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My exhaust leak fix worked, but paint bubbling signaling more exhaust leak somewhere else

Could the narrative be true that: one can seal engine with just jb weld and a brush, permanently...

Video: solved the seesaw idle with flipping spring, water leak pretty much all gone, tiny leak on gearcase i try to show you

woah: jb weld, a brush, and a file could solve tons of our issues, i cant believe it myself

bigger narrative: that next part that show up in the mail aint your problem, the problem was solveable the whole time and took zero dollar cost, I just had blindspot not letting me see true narrative

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Douse in diesel, hit with abrasives of all kind, fixing mistake of too much paint

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Put some JB Weld on that cracked fan hub too!
If you sand it carefully, and paint it, the "flip" buyer will never know about it, or the JB Weld water leak repair,......until sometime later!
Buyer beware!

 

[RCW]

I mentioned making due with what you have...Joe's saga made me think of this.

As a kid, I lived in a very rural place.

Sometimes I had vehicle problems I couldn't pay a mechanic to fix. I was a school kid and often worked 80+ hours/week.

Enter Charlie Brown, young Proprietor of the gas station/repair shop in the center of town. Was a 2 mile trip, half of which was downhill if the vehicle wasn't running.....

He'd let me park out back.

I brought tools and he would help me diagnose problems and check on me periodically as I did repairs behind the shop in the rain, snow, heat.

The guy was a saint. Saw him and his wife at an auction a few years ago. They both gave me a hug. I thanked them both for the help decades before. They have since sold the shop.

He was my resource long before the Internet, OTT and YouTube. Gives you some appreciation for what the internet can do for us now.

 

[joesmith123]

Thick paint job turned out to be mistake

washing with solvent, hitting with compressed air hard, wire wheeling, using every shape file imagineable,

That paint turning out to be more stubborn to get off than 44 year old crud/gasket/whatever

Its got a rubbery attachment to the metal, keeps dodging swipes with files

in this video, put water in engine, plugged water not too tight up top to let steam out, running engine and spraying soapy water looking for the leaks

Only leak I see is head connection to flange, behind gearcase

Oil leaks do not create bubble, i noticed that later

regardless, clean it comprehensively, run it one more time and also note the oil leaks if any, document all leaks

Then take off head and seal water route, surgery like fashion

plan: run it one more time with bright light up close, no spraying soapy water, looking for the oil leaks, document them

Then go again and spray soapy water on the water leak areas, ensuring you have all leaks documented, at least in your head

gearcase leaks: side leak is oil leak from air chiseling out the gearcase, there was damage to it, seal it up jb weld now

front leaks: bolts bubbling out, not oil, they must connect into the water system

only oil leak is that gearcase leak, no leaks on exhaust manifold

all leaks: gearcase oil leak, water leak head connection to flange, water leak water pump connection to gearcase

File gear case oil leak, wipe with solvent, brush jb weld

 

[Henro]

I can't remember the term for it, but if you see a tractor that is advertised for sale, or other equipment for that matter, which has obviously been spray painted to make it look good, what is that called?

I mean when EVERYTHING is painted, like the fan and fan belt and exhaust system, and tubing leading to the injectors, and so on...

 

[fried1765]

I can't remember the term for it, but if you see a tractor that is advertised for sale, or other equipment for that matter, which has obviously been spray painted to make it look good, what is that called?

I mean when EVERYTHING is painted, like the fan and fan belt and exhaust system, and tubing leading to the injectors, and so on...

"Fluff & Buff" ?????
Am quite certain that is exactly what is going on here.

 

[Workerbee]

Around here they refer to that as an enamel overhaul. Repainting something shouldnt be looked down upon.

 

[Henro]

Around here they refer to that as an enamel overhaul. Repainting something shouldnt be looked down upon.

Granted repainting should never be looked down upon, if it is done in a logical fashion.

I was referring to old equipment that is obviously spray painted to make it look good, and done in such a way that the purpose is obvious. To the extent that in crazy extremes even the tires may show over spray to some degree....

Just can't put my finger on the term used...

Edit: An example would be a small crawler that is painted to look kind of nice, but EVERYTHING is painted including the tracks...and I mean everything!

 

[jaxs]

Granted repainting should never be looked down upon, if it is done in a logical fashion.

I was referring to old equipment that is obviously spray painted to make it look good, and done in such a way that the purpose is obvious. To the extent that in crazy extremes even the tires may show over spray to some degree....

Just can't put my finger on the term used...
Edit: An example would be a small crawler that is painted to look kind of nice, but EVERYTHING is painted including the tracks...and I mean everything!

What you are looking for is, painter wasn't taking it slow nor did he do it fast, just half fast.

 

[joesmith123]

yes, shop update and plan

govornor spring and start spring show up, main bearing case bolt for other engine not on the way yet

File down jb weld that was last applied, start engine again, make sure oil leak all gone, then

organize area to take parts off close to tractor: take off head cover, eveything up top, and take off engine head

take off the water connection connected to head (leaking area), take off water pump (leaking area)

perfectly put it back together with full intent on nothing leaking, in the proper order, with zero mistake

Clean everything again, surgically working, employing all the lesson learned in this thread

All bolts fully tight, with no rush, in the perfect order

summary: take head off, fix both water leaks, install the new governor springs, put everything back together and have no leak

While parts are again dissassmbled, hit them with wire wheel etc, fixing the paint mistake

Governor spring come in old style logo

@Russell King

I point to water flange that had crack in it and was leaking water, this is where I experiment if jb weld can fix water leak on engine

It could fail from heat, we see soon

This is tiny oil leak, right side of gear case, under injection pump

directly behind are the gears in oil, it was where when guessing how to remove gear case, I air chiseled and did small damage to area

it should hold if not, it is accessible

The leak now that I need to fix where I need to take off engine head:

I have zero access to leaking area without either taking head or gearcase off

I did install that flange onto head in improper order but did get gasket on it, but something there did not seal properly

solution to all these problems: as you build engine, you stop and pressure test,

get smart and get gadgets that test pressure like you showed, and come up with your own ways to seal engine, and test for these things

These are talents I dont have

Taking parts off, take off head bolts

I point: exact area where there was leak, i did not disturb the water

I point to the culprit, separate those two components, surgically seal them, might use some of that red RTV