Which Kubota

[bsekf]

I want a 60-70 hp 4wd Utility tractor. Something built a little heavier than the usual compact. Think I want a wet clutch too. What Kubota models should I look at? 15 years old max.

 

[Bmyers]

Based on the above information, I believe that would be the 6060 or 7060. That has been the model Kubota has been making in that range since 2010 or 2013, somewhere in that time frame is when they started producing that model and is still produced today. There is also a Deluxe version of those models, but I don't know when the Deluxe started being produced.

 

[mcmxi]

Based on the above information, I believe that would be the 6060 or 7060. That has been the model Kubota has been making in that range since 2010 or 2013, somewhere in that time frame is when they started producing that model and is still produced today. There is also a Deluxe version of those models, but I don't know when the Deluxe started being produced.

Yep, an M6060, M7060 or an M4 would do nicely. I have an MX6000 and M6060 and they're both considered "utility" tractors but there's a big difference between the two.

 

[PoTreeBoy]

I suggest an M7040 with hydraulic shuttle, pre-Tier 4 if you want a used machine.

 

[bsekf]

Yep, an M6060, M7060 or an M4 would do nicely. I have an MX6000 and M6060 and they're both considered "utility" tractors but there's a big difference between the two.

What is the BIG difference? Without writing a book.

 

[mcmxi]

What is the BIG difference? Without writing a book.

Weight, overall size, front lift capacity, rear lift capacity, external lift cylinders, wheel size, engine torque, controls, cab size, transmission, PTO, etc. The M6060 is an entry level farm grade tractor whereas the MX6000 is a hobby tractor. When I bought the M6060, the local dealer (not who I purchased the tractor from) told me that the 6060/7060 is very popular with farmers who want a "small" tractor for chores around the farm and a support role in haying, but they run much bigger equipment in the fields.

Stand next to an MX6000 and an M6060/7060 and the size difference is very obvious. When you consider that the cost of the two isn't that far apart, the M6060/7060 seems to be a much better value since you're getting a lot more tractor for a relatively small jump in cost.

 

[PaulL]

The M6060/7060 seems to be a much better value since you're getting a lot more tractor for a relatively small jump in cost.

A B isn't much more than a BX, and it's quite a lot more tractor.
An L isn't much more than a B, and it's quite a lot more tractor.
An MX isn't much more than a bigger L, and it's quite a lot more tractor.
An M isn't much more than an MX, and it's quite a lot more tractor.

My logic is that a BX has many of the same parts as an M, just much smaller parts. So yeah, an M has a lot more metal in it, and metal costs money. But a lot of the cost is just casting each part and putting it together, and that costs mostly the same on a BX as an M. Bigger tractors are much more cost effective to buy, you get so much more for your money. But you do have to stop somewhere.....

 

[MOOTS]

A B isn't much more than a BX, and it's quite a lot more tractor.
An L isn't much more than a B, and it's quite a lot more tractor.
An MX isn't much more than a bigger L, and it's quite a lot more tractor.
An M isn't much more than an MX, and it's quite a lot more tractor.

My logic is that a BX has many of the same parts as an M, just much smaller parts. So yeah, an M has a lot more metal in it, and metal costs money. But a lot of the cost is just casting each part and putting it together, and that costs mostly the same on a BX as an M. Bigger tractors are much more cost effective to buy, you get so much more for your money. But you do have to stop somewhere.....

Kubota is terrible about that, or maybe they are marketing genius!

 

[GrassLakeRon]

Kubota is terrible about that, or maybe they are marketing genius!

And a lot of the BX's are almost the same size a some B's, Some B's are the sizes of the L's and so on.....

So between price and size it boils down to he who does their research gets what they want.....Kinda feel sorry for the uneducated buyers.....

 

[mcmxi]

My logic is that a BX has many of the same parts as an M, just much smaller parts. So yeah, an M has a lot more metal in it, and metal costs money. But a lot of the cost is just casting each part and putting it together, and that costs mostly the same on a BX as an M. Bigger tractors are much more cost effective to buy, you get so much more for your money. But you do have to stop somewhere.....

So you're saying that the costs associated with casting parts and assembling them is about the same for an M as it is for a BX? So Kubota's margins are much better for an M than a BX? It sure would be interesting to see a costed bill of material for these tractors.

 

[ACDII]

Kubota model numbers are simple really. First two numbers are the horsepower, the last two the model number. So a M6060 is a 60 HP 60 series M. An L4060 is a 40 HP L 60 series. M7060 is a 70 HP 60 series M.

So based on the first two digits, you can shop based on HP. The letter designates the series. What was said above about which letter is bigger is a good chart to work with.

 

[PaulL]

So you're saying that the costs associated with casting parts and assembling them is about the same for an M as it is for a BX? So Kubota's margins are much better for an M than a BX? It sure would be interesting to see a costed bill of material for these tractors.

Not as such. Just that a twice as big part doesn't cost twice as much, it's maybe 50% more. And a twice as big tractor doesn't cost twice as much, it's maybe 50% more. No precision to my numbers, just a concept.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

The 'concept' also has to include actual number of units sold as well as made.
Everyone knows 'high volume = lower price' but...if you don't SELL the units, you lose !

 

[PaulL]

The 'concept' also has to include actual number of units sold as well as made.
Everyone knows 'high volume = lower price' but...if you don't SELL the units, you lose !

True indeed. I'd guess that bigger tractors are probably higher margin. Slower turning stock, lower volume, probably more often sold to businesses and to people who have very specific requirements. I'd be quite surprised if an M7 wasn't higher margin than a BX. In the same way I'd expect a Porsche has higher margin than a Toyota Camry.

 

[ACDII]

Like trucks. A Super Duty has a higher margin than an F150. You rarely see incentives on a F350, but you see all kinds on the F150.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

A B isn't much more than a BX, and it's quite a lot more tractor.
An L isn't much more than a B, and it's quite a lot more tractor.
An MX isn't much more than a bigger L, and it's quite a lot more tractor.
An M isn't much more than an MX, and it's quite a lot more tractor.

My logic is that a BX has many of the same parts as an M, just much smaller parts. So yeah, an M has a lot more metal in it, and metal costs money. But a lot of the cost is just casting each part and putting it together, and that costs mostly the same on a BX as an M. Bigger tractors are much more cost effective to buy, you get so much more for your money. But you do have to stop somewhere.....

You forgot the LX

 

[mcmxi]

Kubota model numbers are simple really. First two numbers are the horsepower, the last two the model number. So a M6060 is a 60 HP 60 series M. An L4060 is a 40 HP L 60 series. M7060 is a 70 HP 60 series M.

So based on the first two digits, you can shop based on HP. The letter designates the series. What was said above about which letter is bigger is a good chart to work with.

I would add that the stated hp rating for a given tractor can also be misleading. For example, the MX6000 spec sheet lists a gross engine hp rating of 63.4hp and 51.7hp at the PTO. The M6060 spec sheet lists a net engine hp rating of 63.5hp and 56.0hp at the PTO. From personal experience, there's no comparison to how those two tractors feel when pulling a load up a hill. The M6060 is a beast in comparison to the MX and is a lot heavier, but both have a 60 on the hood to indicate engine hp, but in the real world those numbers don't mean the same thing.

 

[PaulL]

You forgot the LX

Deliberately skipped it. It didn't fit my narrative. It doesn't do that much more than a B, and arguably costs more than an L. If you're focused on metal for your money, you probably jump right over the LX and go to the L.

 

[rc51stierhoff]

I would add that the stated hp rating for a given tractor can also be misleading. For example, the MX6000 spec sheet lists a gross engine hp rating of 63.4hp and 51.7hp at the PTO. The M6060 spec sheet lists a net engine hp rating of 63.5hp and 56.0hp at the PTO. From personal experience, there's no comparison to how those two tractors feel when pulling a load up a hill. The M6060 is a beast in comparison to the MX and is a lot heavier, but both have a 60 on the hood to indicate engine hp, but in the real world those numbers don't mean the same thing.

I’ve always wondered for tractors, why the manufactures don’t typically publish torque as commonly as they do horsepower (I understand why I should say I wish they would…)…at least I’ve not noticed that in the spec sheet from Kubota.

My B (and the BX before it) runs out of traction before it does power…that may be why I also really appreciate MX and why my spousal unit will buy me a cabbed M4 soon.