Tree Trimming. Tis The Season!

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Did some tree trimming yesterday with the wife. Not all Arizona trees have thorns but the ones that do are heinous. This is a short section of a small branch I trimmed yesterday. You have to exercise EXTREME care when trimming this type tree or you will lose a fair amount of blood. :)

Once cut, its always a challenge to get them collected, transported and stuffed in the dumpster without getting stuck. Fortunately, they are white and stand out.


 

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Years ago, my grandparents planted a climbing rose bust in front of a thorn apple :rolleyes: they decided after the rose bush took over the tree, to take it down. I got volunteered to do it :eek: A good pair of welding gloves, and a heavy shirt were my best friend. Still gave a lot of blood that day :rolleyes:
 

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I was at Caterpillar Paver Operator training years ago in the Cat proofing grounds in an old mine by Tuscon AZ years ago. They told us that if we step off the pad everything in the desert will bite you! Reptiles, plants, insects and even rocks.

It's true!
 

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Had a little cat years ago that I named Cholla after the cactus. Aka jumping cactus with curved spines...you get the drift.
 

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dayyyum! That there could be a royal PITA or foot, or tire .....

What kind of tree is that ? Mesquite? I think my chainsaw would be afraid of that! - at leas the owner would be !;)
 

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Yup... It a Mesquite.

An imported variety, the Chilean Mesquites are the thornless variety. (I call 'em "friendly") They are shallow rooted and often blow over in storms. Great source of firewood after monsoon storms as the clean-up crews have to pay to dump their loads and they would rather someone else haul off the trunks and big limbs. :)

Most of these thorned varieties have a mild poison on them and they will puncture a tractor tire easily. Fortunately, they are big enough to see and avoid -usually.

Here's some info on Mesquites from Texas, similar to ours. Mesquite wood burns hot and flavors meat like few others. Deer and dogs love the seed pods. Our variety out here looks a lot better than the wild Texas tree.



http://aufait.hubpages.com/hub/mesquite-trees-mesquite-bushes-devil-trees-thorns-seedpods
 
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I have several Texas Mesquite's on my property that I'm cultivating. They actually dominate the area. Oddly, I discovered they are vulnerable to Mistletoe, like Oaks are. Saw it on several other trees in the area so I know that will be a problem for the trees.

We have neighbors with very old Mesquites and when they are well trimmed and well maintained, they are beautiful shade trees that the trimmings give you a lot of great flavoring wood. If you charcoal the wood, it is best and the coals are great for flavoring. I understand that the raw wood needs to be really dry or it can be slightly poisonous if used straight up, if that's wrong, someone let me know.

So, I look forward to working with these trees, but yeah, I will only mess with them if I'm heavily armored...
 

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I burned cords of mesquite in Abilene and never had a problem with the smoke. I ate tons of mesquite-flavored brisket! :)

I have tried the Chilean mesquite for smoking and its OK. That wood came off the tree several years ago so its definitely dry. I mostly buy my smoking wood at Lowe's in a nice big bag. Costco had Mexican mesquite charcoal in 50 lb bags and I still have some of that. I mix it in with regular charcoal.

It may have thorns but mesquite smoke is absolutely intoxicating. :)

DANG! I am hungry all of a sudden!

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Those things will really eat you alive if you are not careful. I've had the same problem, mostly trimming and putting out in a pile for bulk pickup. I invariable have a number of new wounds from the process. So for that and other general duties, I've been sniffing around for a decent chipper. Not those silly things with a cheap lawnmower motor, but one that will go on my tractor. I expected those to be at least somewhat available out here, but looks like they are hard to find used.
 

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Russ,

I have an 8hp TroyBilt chipper that turns these kind of deadly thorns into fluffy green biomass. Problem is, some unlucky schlub has to load the deadly parts into the shredder cute -and then let go before the shredder YANKS the item into the "hammer chamber of horrors." I have gotten sliced/stuck/stabbed/gored a few times. The ideal route would be a nice used tow behind tree chipper. A good one of those is $10 grand!

I just stuff my 2 yard dumpster full and take a week long break. :)
 

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That has essentially been my MO for a while. :D

From what I've been reading, those small chippers seem more work than they are worth when it comes to stuff like tangled twisted Mesquite limbs. My understanding is you have to cut it into smallish straightish sections to get it to go into the "hammer chamber of horrors".

I've seen some pretty nice bigger units from about $2k to $10k+, but I don't want or need something that big to store and maintain. The 3 point setups look just about perfect, except near non-existent from what I've seen.
 

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Some Locust and Osage Orange trees have similar thorns.

On my farm tractors I always try to find older (used) front tires because the new tire rubber is like bubble gum, it attracts thorns. On the old tires the rubber is hard and does not pick up thorns as easily. Some switch to airplane tires with 16-22 plys.

When cutting down a thorned tree for firewood, I had a friend ring the tree and spray with tordon to kill it. Then a few months later use a backpack sprayer to spray diesel up as high as it would spray. Then light the diesel!

He'd then cut the tree down and cut into firewood. He didn't like pushing the thorn piles with his tractor.

Those thorns will lay there for years before breaking down.
 

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D2 -You are right. The worst part about the desert is when the thorny bushes/trees/cactus dies, the needles turn pert near invisible. We had a termite infestation last spring (which I promptly put a stop to) that ate up the innards of some hedgehog cactus. I threw three or four away today because the are almost impossible to see yet the thorns are like glass needles.

BD -My chipper will take limbs up to about 3 3/4". I have found that the easiest way to compost desert tree limbs is to run the whole thing through the chipper. It chops them to bits in a hurry. The nasty needle variety like the picture at the top of this thread is too dangerous to feed into the chipper chute so the only other option, short of winning the lottery and buying a 30hp diesel powered pull-behind tree chipper is the shredder hopper, on top.

The shredder works good on drier material. Wet stuff gets all wound up in the hammer chamber and starts to bog the machine down. If you feed a little at a time it will do an awesome job. Mine has three grates at the bottom. Using the grate with the biggest holes (1& 1/2") helps keep from clogging up the innards and keeps it crunching away. The Tomahawk II has a 65lb inertia wheel which helps it swallow the chunks.

My perfect unit would be a PTO powered chipper that would take 6" material. Using a limb as a ram, you could jam stuff in there without stopping. Chippers are safer too because there is no "yank" like a shredder. Your arm or hand can go into a shredder before you know it if you are not paying 100% attention.

I saw Tim Allen from "Tool Time" on an interview show once and he had just bought a Tomahawk II. He said he had never seen a machine with more danger labels on it (I think 18). Using it the first time scared the bejesus out of him. I felt the same way the first time I used mine.

The chipper port is basically a huge pencil sharpener. My daughter used to feed the Christmas tree trunk in there after Christmas when she was a kid. Once she got used to it, it was big fun. My wife will even feed it. The shredder she lets me do. That is the scary part of the machine.

Ray
 

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A couple years ago I was dropping off a Christmas tree for a friend at a designated Peoria city site. The trees are shredded for recycling as mulch.
The chipper/shredder was fired up & eating trees as fast as they could feed them, but as I walked up, the guy was about to throw in a tree with a sheet metal tree stand still attached. I yelled & stopped him, and he got really angry with me for interfering. He threw the tree in & the sound was awful, but he then grabbed a tree with a rebar tree stand on it & threw it in- the sound was even worse & lasted a long time. He just continued throwing trees in.
 

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The company I work for the sister company sells mulch and does site prep work. I was sent to build a shed for top soil while I was working on this building they demonstrated a 1000 hp bandit chopper on tracks. That thing could take a 12' by 2' oak log like a tooth pick they got a piece of1" rebar in that thing it sounded like it was coming apart. Little pieces came out the other side. I used to have a video of it but can't find it.

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The older Troy Built models like the Tomahawk seem to get good reviews. Just as you describe, they are what they are and they do the job intended. All these modern MTD and such, about half plastic, and with over rated Chinese HP motors, everything I read about them makes it sound like they are suitable for mulching trimmings from ornamental bushes and flower gardens along with shredding leaves, but forget the Mesquite, fruit trees, and the Oleander that I want to remove.

I've been cruising CL and it's new competitors for nearly a month, and the best I've found is the larger MTD "10 HP" units for around $400. I talked to a guy today that had one posted not far from me, but turned out he already sold it. So I asked him, since he no longer had any reason to spin his answer, why did he sell it and what was his impression. Basically, just as I said. He had a larger 30+ acre up in New River, covered with Mesquite and other scrub, and wanted to clear a large portion. As I suspected, even the big boy was marginal. It told him my goals, and he answered (I believe honestly) that he recommended getting all the cutting done with piles, then renting for a day. He thought even that larger model would be frustration, and he's in the market for a "real chipper".

My needs are far more modest than his, and frankly after the big job I see now that cool weather is here, most of my work is maintenance mulching of Mexican Heather and trimming Mesquite overgrowth. So I may yet get one of the bigger units if a Tomahawk or PTO chipper doesn't surface in the next few months. At least I'll have it for conveniently mulching leaves and smaller branches that make up the large part, particularly if I keep on top of the pruning.

I've also been pondering what it would look like to build a PTO chipper. As expensive as they are, it still seems like a lot of work for return, particularly when I already have more projects than time.
 

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OMG!

I cannot imagine what a sharpening job would cost on a commercial chipper!!! If the owner of that machine saw what was going on, he would have fired that guy on the spot.

One idiot can do a lot of damage in a hurry.