Testing an alternator

xmikew

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Hi. Pretty sure my alternator is dead. Charge light is on. I get 12v from battery with tractor off. I get 12v with it on. I should get 13 or 14 with it on. I just tested it at the battery.

This is a 1500dt with what appears to be the original alternator. Here are the connections.



Is there a more definitive way to test at the alternator? Not sure what all these wires are for.

Thanks.
 

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Looks like someone rewired yours to be compatible with an L175 alternator. Mine has a 4 connector plug. Unless some of them came with 3? Anyway, bring it in to a good alternator / starter shop and have them check it. It should have an external regulator. It's under the dash, and that should be tested as well. Parts store chains will test alternators too, but most of their employees are dead in the water if they don't have the right plug. The guy who's tester just has alligator clips is the best one to go to.

On my L1500, the alternator tested out good, but I had it rebuilt anyway just because the bearings were rough. You could tell that the regulator was bad by looking at it. It had burn marks on it.
 

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Before taking off your alternator and sending to a shop. Check the three wires on the small pin connector. At least one of those pins should have 12 volts coming into it to excite the alternator.

If your not getting 12 volts coming in on one of the small pins, your alternator will not work :) check and verify your fuses are good. One of them provides power from the key switch to excite the alternator. :)
 

xmikew

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Never heard of exciting an alternator. Wife might be jealous.

12v on the green/white wire. The other two small ones had about 1v.

Fuses have continuity.

To measure started up the tractor. Positive lead on the alternator wire I was testing. Black on where the negative battery connects.


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xmikew

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I ordered some brushes. The alternator shop is pretty far away.. hopefully they are the right ones. Ordered the parts off a 175 from colemans. If not 10 bucks shipped is worth the adventure :)


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Update on the alternator. Got it off the tractor. Started disassembling but stripped some screws that hold the main two pieces together. Yargh! Tried the rubber band trick. I had soaked the screws in penetrating oil overnight but still stripped. Hopefully tomorrow I'll get some stripped screw removal bits I'm hoping will do the trick. Othwerwise... to the drill....

Good times!

 
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xmikew

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Also I did a little research on the energizing the alternator. I'm not a physicist but appears alternator are not Permanent magnets so they require a little current to actually generate it.

I think the 12v requirement from the battery might be a fail safe to make sure a good battery is attached. Otherwise no where for charge to go? Not sure what happens theoretically if alternators run without somewhere for charge to go. When battery is fully charged though the regulator reduces output so seems like a similar situation. Maybe just goes to chassis.

Pontification complete. Carry on.


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xmikew

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Howdy, alternator saga continues, I got it apart and what i hoped to find was some worn brushes in which I do not think I found. Appears slip rings are in good shape and the brushes are making contact. After researching a bit, performed the following:

So what I did:

Tested brushes:
1. One brush goes to ground which makes sense
2. The other brush is connected to (F terminal I think) on the connector in back of alternator. This was the green/white wire that tested at 12v when the tractor was running. This means the regulator was energizing the rotor at 12v which seems proper.

Tested the rotor.
1. Ohms between the two slip rings ~ 5ohms
2. Slip rings not shorting to ground

Tested the stator
1. Made sure had low ohms through windings from each output wire to the join
2. The only odd thing I thought was that I thought each phase of the stator was isolated from each other. Doesn't appear to be the case in this alternator?

Tested the diode plate:
There are "two" plates each containing three diodes in this alternator (two semi circles)
There are three diodes on the plate that handles the B+ post and the other post
There are three diodes on the second plate that handles the other two posts.
Note: the two plates are physically connected to each other through insulated jumper wires.

I set my MM to diode test / continuity, Put the positive lead on on the stator output side, put the negative lead on B+. Nothing
I tested on the other two diodes on the same plate. Nothing

I tested a post on the other plate and got positive result setting pos lead on top of one of those diodes. The other two on that plate checked out as well.

From my amateur stand point, it appears I have three bad diodes. The plate with the bad diodes looks particularly in worse shape (more rust, dirt etc) than the plate with the diodes that work (relatively clean).

I will say, I learned a lot about alternators in this little adventure!

Now, I don't want to track down diodes and replace them and I quick search for the diodes plates turned up empty, so a new alternator looks like in the books for me unless I'm completely off base which is completely possible!

Now to search for an alternator that is a proper substitute. Looks like i'll be rewiring the 4 pin connector to a 3pin from a couple of quick searches on amazon. I see no alternators that have this 4 pin connector.

EDIT: pontification: It seems my alternator would be running at half capacity with 3 diodes bad... I wonder if I can flip what was previously B+ to a differnet post. They are all connected and looks like they all have the same output. I'm only running lights, not sure I would pull 10amps which is what this thing is rated for.





- Mike
 

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Missouribound

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It's a learning experience for sure and it looks like you have the time to do it.
But I am certain I would have taken it in to be tested. Right now you are guessing where a good alternator shop would have saved you a lot of time and eliminated some of the troubleshooting. Years ago I had an old Duster that wouldn't charge the battery. After a couple of "friends" came over and told me I needed an alternator I finally bought one. $75 later it still didn't charge the battery. It turned out to be a $4 fuse.
Friends are expensive.