RTV-X1100C Stalled

Curt

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Thursday afternoon I was out for a ride around my property on my 2016 Kubota RTV-X1100C with about 20 hours on it - when for no apparent reason the engine sputtered and quit. I tried restarting it and it turned over fine but would not engage. It sounded like a fuel issue - but I wasn't sure if perhaps it was a safety switch (low oil pressure or something like that). I left it in the woods overnight and started researching issues online.

There was a tremendous amount of info out there and I narrowed it down to:

1. Fuel line air leak that shows itself when the engine warms up; draws in air; vapor locks; til it cools; There were several reports suggesting that a loose clamp or micro cracks in lines in the fuel lines could cause this.
2. Fuel filter - clogged
3. Kill Solenoid stuck
4. Low oil pressure solenoid

Hoping it was number 1, I went out Friday morning with my neighbor Jack (retired engineer/military and has the knack to fix anything/everything).

It would not cold start, so #1 was eliminated. The motor turned over fine - it just would not engage. Jack noticed that when I turned the key, the fuel pump did not click on and thought that may be an issue (turned out it was not... as the RTV has a diaphram fuel pump).

Jack removed the fuel filter. It had some debris in it but overall the debris should not have been enough to cause a problem. However, Jack noticed when he removed the fuel filter no fuel came out of the fuel line.

We reached out to our local Kubota dealer, RI Harvesting - by phone, eliminated a few things (including the fuel pump issue), learned some new things (1. the fuel line has a stop valve to prevent fuel from emptying when you remove the fuel filter; 2. don't lose either of the 2-O rings on the old fuel filter) and ended up buying a new fuel filter.

When we put the new fuel filter on and went to start it - the fuel did not automatically start to fill the new filter... and the RTV would not start. In other words... no change.

We towed the RTV to Jack's house using his tractor. He has a compressor - and he blew air into the fuel line leading back to the fuel tank. When we hooked everything up, the fuel filter filled with fuel, the RVT started right up and is now running fine.

I was still concerned about what ever was clogging the fuel line still being in my tank, so I went to the local PetCo and bought a small fish net with a very fine mesh. I then began fishing for debris in the fuel tank.

The attached photos show what I found: a small glob of silicone-like substance. It took a bit of swirling and fishing to find it. And this is ALL that I found. No insects, grass, lint, or other contaminants. And trust me I searched and searched for any other debris in the fuel tank. It was one long strand.

It feels like silicone - and ended up in the shape of the fuel line. It was pliable.. and could be rolled into a ball or any shape we wanted. Not sure if it was excess sealant from the manufacturing process or something that fell into to fuel tank. It did not smear like grease. We did notice smaller clumps of it in the original fuel filter. The RTV-X1100C has 20 hours on it.

Figured I would share the info since this was the first place I turned when looking for answers. Could happen again to another Kubota. I learned a lot in the process as well.

Here are the photos.
 

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North Idaho Wolfman

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That is algae! ;)
It's caused by water in the fuel and a good breading environment.

Treat all your tanks / containers and the unit with Soltron (yea weird name but it works), it will eat the algae and will help remove the water from the system.

NOTE: In the future always note or mention if it's Diesel or Gasoline as it's much faster to trouble shoot issues, FYI diesel does not vapor lock, thats a pure gasoline issue, but you can get air in the injection system and that different.
 
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Wolfman

Yeah... we originally thought it was algae or some sort of natural debris - till we touched it. Its definitely a silicone-like type of sealant product.

The fuel I use is fresh... the unit is brand new... 20 hours... in service 2 1/2 months. And all my fuel is treated with Power Service Diesel Kleen - same as the dealer. None of my other vehicles had any issues (all diesel - all from the same fuel supply) and despite fishing at length with the net looking for any other debris in the tank - it was that one tootsie roll... like a single push from a caulking gun. Nothing else in the tank... no other clumps, zero, zlich...

Also the RTV-X1100C does not come in gasoline. Gotchya on the vapor lock... that is how another poster explained it. Air in the injection system... I'm an attorney not a mechanic... but I get that words matter.

BTW - I was in Northern Idaho last year... Hayden. What a beautiful part of the country!!!
 
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Curt

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You are right... it is that algea. I set it aside and for the first week it maintained that silicone-like consistency. However, it has broken down - changed color and dried out. Thank you for the correct diagnosis!!!
 
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That is algae! ;)
It's caused by water in the fuel and a good breading environment.

Treat all your tanks / containers and the unit with Soltron (yea weird name but it works), it will eat the algae and will help remove the water from the system.

NOTE: In the future always note or mention if it's Diesel or Gasoline as it's much faster to trouble shoot issues, FYI diesel does not vapor lock, thats a pure gasoline issue, but you can get air in the injection system and that different.
Probably a dumb questions, but:
Is Soltron something you us as a preventative measure also, or is it strictly used after an issue occurs? I have never had a problem with algae, but don't want the problem to occur either. I use Power Service diesel supplements in the winter, but nothing in the summer... will that work as a preventative measure?

We are very humid in this area along Lake Michigan in the summer and see lots of algae in the water, but have never seen a problem in my fuel. I have diesel cars, trucks and tractors. It seems it would be a real pain to deal with if it did occur, and would rather prevent a problem rather than fix it later. I appreciate how you freely share your knowledge, and hope you you do not mind the intrusion on this thread or your time.
Thanks.
 

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conropl

I want to hear Wolfman's response - but I did quite a bit of research into this. I have always used a fuel stabilizer - and in particular the Power Service product my dealer recommended Diesel Kleen - but apparently that will not prevent/kill algae (it is actually a bacteria but everyone calls it algae). I bought some Power Service BioKleen that specifically targets the bacteria... hoping for the best. I have 3 diesel Kubotas... Only the new RTV had the problem.
 

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conropl



I want to hear Wolfman's response - but I did quite a bit of research into this. I have always used a fuel stabilizer - and in particular the Power Service product my dealer recommended Diesel Kleen - but apparently that will not prevent/kill algae (it is actually a bacteria but everyone calls it algae). I bought some Power Service BioKleen that specifically targets the bacteria... hoping for the best. I have 3 diesel Kubotas... Only the new RTV had the problem.

http://powerservice.com/psp_product/bio-kleen-diesel-fuel-biocide/ read what each product does might need what they call a tank cleaner formula. Might also look into a fuel filter that filters out water when you refuel utv.



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Dfh1977 & Curt:
Thank you for the reply.
I did a little digging and it does looks like Soltron is an after the fact solution and not a preventive solution. I found the same as you... that is, BioKleen seems to be Power Service product, but I will have to get it on-line since I have never seen it locally.

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