M6060 vs M7060? (8 Speed)

[McMXi]

Bingo, sample size of one or otherwise.

There are many pieces of data that go into a thorough and meaningful decision matrix, but a sample size of one from a random member on a forum just isn't one of them, or at least shouldn't be. Luckily we all have access to someone who actually has experience with a significant sample size. Are you going to jump out of a plane at 33,000 ft without a parachute because Vesna Vulović tells you that she survived the experience?

The OP already selected the F12/R12 before @whitetiger's response but now he can feel even more confident in his decision to spend $70k or more on a new tractor.

 

[JasonW]

Just bump it up to an M5-111 with the 24 dual speed. Not sure anyone has regretted too many gears.

 

[McMXi]

Just bump it up to an M5-111 with the 24 dual speed. Not sure anyone has regretted too many gears.

If I'm doing any bumping it's to something with a CVT like the M7 models.

I got to learn about some of the cool features of the HST Plus when I delivered my friend's L47 to him. If you've never used an L60 tractor or anything with the HST plus, and not experienced the two ranges within each range, which can be selected with the flick of a lever, you don't know what you're missing (and perhaps that's a good thing). I like the MX with the standard HST, it's a great tractor, but using my friend's tractor I realized that the six ranges is a feature that I'd love to have in the MX and would use a lot. I'm not about to make a change, and it's not a life-changing difference, but I see that there's a better mousetrap.

The same is true for my M6060. It's a great tractor that I have no intention of selling, but I also recognize that six gears per range is better than four.

 

[SDT]

There are many pieces of data that go into a thorough and meaningful decision matrix, but a sample size of one from a random member on a forum just isn't one of them, or at least shouldn't be. Luckily we all have access to someone who actually has experience with a significant sample size. Are you going to jump out of a plane at 33,000 ft without a parachute because Vesna Vulović tells you that she survived the experience?

The OP already selected the F12/R12 before @whitetiger's response but now he can feel even more confident in his decision to spend $70k or more on a new tractor.

Bingo, and my experience with my M9960 is only one factor that resulted in my opinion.

I do not remember stating or impling that it was.

 

[ethanbrush]

Im a little late to the party, but I would get the 7060x12. Thats what i got. So little more money for so much more. Think of quicker cycle times for the loader from the increased hydraulic flow. I would recommend the creep option too. I find 1st low range way too fast for many things.

 

[McMXi]

Think of quicker cycle times for the loader from the increased hydraulic flow.

Not according to the brochure from Kubota, which makes sense when you consider that the 3-point lift capacity is the same for the M6060/M7060. The 3-point hitch hydraulic pump supplies oil to the loader valve and to the 3-point hitch and to the 3rd function if equipped. The 16.2 gpm vs. 11.0 gpm difference doesn't show up at the loader, 3-point or the 3rd function.

 

[McMXi]

This begs the question of how/where the flow rate difference is actually manifested and whether the user is ever aware of it. If the output of the 3-point hitch hydraulic pump is the same for both models, which seems likely given the loader and 3-point specs, it makes sense that the difference is produced by the hydraulic pump used for the power steering, shuttle, PTO clutch and 4WD clutch.

 

[ethanbrush]

This begs the question of how/where the flow rate difference is actually manifested and whether the user is ever aware of it. If the output of the 3-point hitch hydraulic pump is the same for both models, which seems likely given the loader and 3-point specs, it makes sense that the difference is produced by the hydraulic pump used for the power steering, shuttle, PTO clutch and 4WD clutch.

Interesting i certainly cant argue with the spec sheet showing the same cycle time, although the comment about hitch capacity doesnt make sense because flow rate would not effect lifting force.

Why would they provide increased flow for the steering, shuttle and clutches? Seems pointless.

 

[McMXi]

Interesting i certainly cant argue with the spec sheet showing the same cycle time, although the comment about hitch capacity doesnt make sense because flow rate would not effect lifting force.

Why would they provide increased flow for the steering, shuttle and clutches? Seems pointless.

True, flow rate wouldn't affect lifting capacity for the 3-point, only the rate at which the load could be lifted. The M7060 also has hydraulic brakes and hydraulic 4WD clutch so that's two more demands on the system over the M6060. The hydraulic pumps are different between the M6060 (F8/R8) and M7060 (F12/R12) and perhaps the brochure is wrong regarding cycle times. I was under the impression that the M7060 would have more oil flow for 3rd function implements such as a PHD but now I'm not sure.

 

[ethanbrush]

One common "problem" with the 12 speed is the linkage is very finicky to adjust and get right. Of course if it's new or under warranty it shouldn't be your problem. Mine is very hard to get out of park. Ots under warranty but thr dealer is 3 hours away so im just gunna fix it myself.

 

[McMXi]

So digging deeper into the WSM reveals that the 3-point hitch part of the hydraulic pump in the M7060 with F12/R12 is putting out close to 16 gpm with the power steering/clutch/PTO/4WD hydraulic pump putting out around 6.5 gpm. The WSM doesn't provide any information for the M6060, but based on this information, you'd think that the loader and 3rd function valves on an M7060 (F12/R12) are seeing higher oil flow rates compared to the F8/R8 models.

So given this, why are the loader cycle times in the brochure the same. Doesn't make sense does it? Maybe just lazy marketing.

 

[PaulL]

I have noticed that the brochures are often wrong. I think the workshop specs are written by technicians. The brochures are written by marketing people. I imagine the former to be a crusty old guy who knows tractors, and the latter to be a pretty young thing with a marketing degree who's never been on a farm. I'm probably being unkind, but it's what I see in my head.