Grapple help needed

Stomper

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By now some of you are probably thinking "not this guy again with another grapple thread". I wouldn't blame you if you did, I've put a few of them on here. I will explain my situation in hopes that you will have some advice for me. Let me start off by saying that I have not used a grapple before so I have no practical experience with one, so I'm hoping with the many users on here you can give me some advise that will help me make the right decision. The tractor that it will be going on is a kubota L2501
I am looking for advice on which style of grapple would suit my needs based on the information provided below. I have been wanting a grapple since I got my tractor back in June of last year and have been beating around which type would best suit my needs. I live in the remote Canadian north country in a small town on a couple acres of land. The back edge of my property is the north boundary of the town, so the Canadian wilderness is literally my back yard. I don't have any land to clear so a brush type grapple or a root rake type doesn't seem much use because of their intended purposes. I do however heat my home with wood, and this is the main reason I am wanting a grapple. Presently I have been heating my home with a wood stove, but this summer I will be installing an outdoor wood boiler. The boiler takes up to 44" log lengths and will be heating my home, shop, another small building and my domestic hot water. I am told by other wood boiler users in my area that I will be burning at least 8+ cords of wood a year. I am hoping with my new tractor and a proper grapple that this chore will be much easier. I have already checked with the Department of Natural Resources to see if I can use my tractor for gathering my fire wood on crown land in this area. As long as I am not building trails or roads it is allowed. There is an abundance of old logging and exploration trails around here and with the large forest fire that went through this area last year, there is plenty of wood to get. The DNR want it cleaned up and with a large portion of the burn along the highway, roads and trails, it should be easy pickings. Most of the wood I will be getting will range around the 6"-12" diameter. I plan on building wooden frames onto pallets and storing the boiler length pieces on the pallets so I can move them from the storage area to the boiler with my forks.
Almost all the work that will be done with the grapple will be the gathering of fire wood. I am wanting one that will clamp down on the logs tightly so they can be cut into 44" length while in the grapple and they can fall right into the haul trailer, saving time and work. I know some like the bucket style because they can scoop up large amounts of firewood and clamp down and transport it. This would be good for boiler length pieces but wouldn't hold the logs tight for cutting to length. I have scoured the internet searching every type of grapple I can find to see which would best suit my needs. Several comments on some on the forestry forums, swear by pallet forks with grapples that clamp the logs tight against the back of the forks. This sounds appealing to me as I have a good set of pallet forks already. It would just be to purchase or build one similar to this. https://www.kellfri.co.uk/grapple-attachment-for-pallet-fork-with-low-frame This would be easily removed when not needed but adding this weight to the already heavy pallet forks gives me some issues of loosing lift capacity needed for the logs. Others like the clam style grapples that are similar to the EA wicked root grapple, this also appeal to me. Although this style of grapple might limit the amount of logs that can be clamped into it, it might be just right for my size of tractor.
I have also found a dedicated log grapple style which might suit my needs because it will be used mainly for logging type work. I also like the fact that it is slightly narrower than the others which would enable me to cut the clamped section of the log to the desired 44" length. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf1EHKRdF-E&feature=youtu.be
I realize that the narrower width of a grapple might put added stress on the loader arms for unbalanced loads but the longest length logs I would haul around would be in the 8-12 foot range and smaller if needed.

As far a purchasing or building a grapple goes, it really doesn't matter. I have all the tools and skills to build one. Building one would most likely be best for me because I can build it how it best suits my needs. I just need some advice from those who have had experience with different types of grapples of what might work and might not work for my intended use. Any help will we greatly appreciated.

Thanks
 
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Yooper

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Our situations are similar. Here's what I came up with if you want to build your own: http://www.orangetractortalks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28329&highlight=grapple

If you have access to cnc plasma/water jet/ laser I have the dxf files for cutting out the pieces and would be more than happy to send them to you. A word from experience here, but if you don't build it to rotate you're losing the biggest advantage a grapple can have. In tight spaces the ability to rotate the grapple and line it up with the log is huge. This is what I have on my tractor when I go 'logging'.

The pictures attached are a simple modification I did to my double lid EA grapple. I welded on two pieces of plate and braced the center so I could pick up individual pieces. But again, they have to be somewhat lined up to work.
 

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Stomper

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WOW Yooper, Thats awesome. Thanks for posting and thanks for the offer on the files. I just might take you up on that. Thanks.
I just read through your build thread and that is some impressive work. You have some serious fab skills. That is a much too in depth build for me to take on with the rotating part, but it does have me wondering about how it would be to just mount the actual grapple section itself, to a SSQA frame. Right where the rotator attaches to the grapple back. Maybe make the grapple a bit wider. I could curl the loader right down and clamp the logs then curl it back up. Do you think this would be doable.
Even if the one arm was stationary and the other one was movable it would be very similar to the igland one in my original post. But I do like the idea of both arms being movable.
What is the width of the grapple arms them self.
 

mikester

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I wish I bought the bucket shaped grapple over the root rake version I got. Mine is good for pushing out trees but it has a limited throat for carrying loads of logs, rocks and junk. If most of your time is moving firewood get the bucket shaped one.
 

Yooper

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WOW Yooper, Thats awesome. Thanks for posting and thanks for the offer on the files. I just might take you up on that. Thanks.
I just read through your build thread and that is some impressive work. You have some serious fab skills. That is a much too in depth build for me to take on with the rotating part, but it does have me wondering about how it would be to just mount the actual grapple section itself, to a SSQA frame. Right where the rotator attaches to the grapple back. Maybe make the grapple a bit wider. I could curl the loader right down and clamp the logs then curl it back up. Do you think this would be doable.
Even if the one arm was stationary and the other one was movable it would be very similar to the igland one in my original post. But I do like the idea of both arms being movable.
What is the width of the grapple arms them self.
You don't need to go the Rube Goldberg route I went for the rotation. I was just using up some stuff I had laying around for some time. Either a cheap hydraulic ram or an electric actuator would work. http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electr...0-lbs-12-Volt-DC-Linear-Actuator-5-1680-6.axd

The grapple that I built is 9" wide at the 'claw'. It is all 1/4" mild steel plate with the exception of the linkage which is 1/2" mild steel.
 

Stomper

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I found the below link in another forum and to be quite honest, I am leaning towards it. It has the "L" style shape but because of the design of the tines, can close up quite tightly. And looks like it would be quite easy to build and with a bit of tweeking it could be made to close even tighter if needed. Being able to build what "works" for me is also a concern of mine because there just isn't the selection or variety of grapples and other impliments/attachments in Canada that there is in the US. At least not that I have found. Don't get me wrong, there are lots of places that specialize in skid steer attachments that would work for me are quality built but they would most certainly be too heavy for a compact tractor. And ordering from the US with the currency exchange, shipping cost, import charges.............puts something like this way out of reach for me. I have yet to find a Canadian outfit even remotely close to something like Everything Attachments.

http://www.faverinc.com/314 SCX grapple photos.htm
 

adventure bob

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So this is an opinion...
My vote, having had one for over 3 years now, is the EA grapple. As a fabricator, I don't think I could make one for what they're charging for one. Its built, complete has great warranty and customer service and you can just throw it on and go once you have it. I have a 72" and have processed about 300 cords of wood over the last 3 years. Makes the kubota into a really expensive sawbuck. I use it for moving big rocks and landscaping as well.
 
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Stomper

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Good point about the cost of the fabrication but post #6 explains why the EA is not an option for me.
 

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Stomper, I feel your pain. Ive been on the east coast for 5 years. Its even worse to find stuff and when I do, it's a lot more $$$ than it was back in Ontario.

Not sure if you follow Ritchie Bros auctions or not. A lot of the new ssqa stuff they carry is made over seas but as long as not too many people are bidding you up, you could get a good deal. Only thing is there is no warranty.
Not really sure what would be covered if they did have warranty. I'm handy enough, I'd fix it myself before trying to argue if something should be covered or not.

A quick search of past auctions, I found this one.

https://www.rbauction.com/0---64-IN...d=9716303&id=ar&auction=LETHBRIDGE-AB-2017516

By the way, what part of Canada are you in?
 

Stomper

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Hey G.rid
I'm right on the Manitoba/Saskatchewan border near a town called Flin Flon. Its on the Manitoba side. Actually half is in Manitoba and half is in Saskatchewan. Denare Beach Sask is where I'm located.It's 16 km inside the Sask border. Ritchie Brothers is where I picked up my pallet forks from. They are made by Mid State in the US.
http://www.msattachments.com/-80-fork-frame-set.html
Got them for $500. I keep watching the RB auctions when they ge near my neck of the woods. Closest auction is in Saskatoon, 6 hours away. Every auction they have grapples and I seem to find several from mid state also but they pretty heavy for my little tractor.
That is why I am looking at building a grapple. I'm a pipe fitter by trade and have been in the fire service for the past 12 years and can't seem to shake the fabrication bug so when I can get some quality shop time to build something out of steel, I don't hesitate. It's my de-stressing. Some people excersize, some drink, I like to build stuff.