Glow plug trick for some Kubotas

Dave_eng

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I own a M7040 with Cab and FEl
Dealer's mechanic gave me this trick to help starting in very cold weather.

In very cold weather, with the block heater plugged in, the glow plug sensor will lock out the glow plugs as it senses a warm engine.
However, starting, in these circumstances can be rough and worrisome.
The trick is to put the shuttle shift lever in forward and turn the key to the start position.
You will hear a relay click on. I count to 10, put the shuttle back into the neutral position and start the engine.

How this came up was I was at the dealer on a reasonably cold day and noticed the staff moving around a large number of tractors for snow removal. These are machines that could have been sitting for months. The mechanic said they used to have problems getting all machines started in spite of using the glow plugs as allowed by the tractors electronics until the service rep told them how to get another cycle out of the glow plugs which was the shuttle shift in forward and turning the key to start. The electronics wont give you a second round of glow plugs even if you wanted them. Without this trick, when you turn the key to on, if the tractor is cold enough to need the glow plugs, a symbol lights up on the dash and you just leave the key in the on position until the symbol goes out and then turn the key to start. If the tractor does not start you are screwed. I am certain the system re sets itself after a while but I don't know how long.
When using this trick, the dash symbol does not light up and all you hear is a relay click once when you hold the key in the start position.
I count to 10 holding the key in start to not overheat the glow plugs as this seems to be how long they stay on under the controller in the coldest conditions.
When you return the shuttle shift to neutral and turn the key to start there is no doubt that the glow plugs have heated up.
It makes an amazing difference.
I dont know which other models this applies to but from what I saw many newer models have some trick to effect this.

Dave M7040
 

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Excellent post!
I would imagine that this or some variation should work on any of the electronically controlled models. ;)
 

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I have a green 4100 tractor, that the glow timer module has expired on and in reading online everybody just pulls the PTO on with the key, them kills the pto and cranks it over. Some kind of built in bypass in it too.
 

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M7040 GP's are normally controlled by a thermostat so they are activated when temp of coolant is 30 degrees & lower. The lower the coolant temp the longer the timer keeps GP's activated. This is how I understood GP operation when I read the WSM.
 

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I have been puzzled about how the glow plugs are controlled in my L3560, and there were a series of posts a couple months ago when people, me included, did not see the glow plug symbol come on on the screen for it and similar models. When I was buying the 3560 in Nov I asked the dealer about an engine block heater, he firmly said you won't need one. From the original post on this thread it seems like a heater, if placed too close to the temperature sensor might be counterproductive? Not sure why he didn't want to sell another item? Except he is a nice guy and genuinely didn't want to sell me something I didn't need.

I keep wondering what the glow plugs are doing on mine. It starts like a champ. You turn the key to on, the tach meter needle goes all the way to the top and drops to 0, the screen comes on and says Welome to Kubota, and then gives the screen on which you might see the glow plug symbol. What I wonder is if the glow plugs are on during that initial few seconds?

If the temp is below 22F, you then see the glow plug symbol for a few seconds. When it goes off and you crank, so far it starts right up. I have not tried it when the temp is below 0.

The manual does say if it doesn't start in 10 sec to shut it off for 30 seconds and then repeat the glow plug warmup. So hopefully you are not screwed after one cycle as mentioned on OP.

My owner's manual says "a block heater will assist you in starting for temperatures below -4F". Buy from Kubota dealer. I have not yet been able to get a WSM so I am curious to know if anyone knows how these glow plug control circuits work. The engine on the 3560 is 3 cyl, common rail, direct inject, so the glow plugs are somewhere in the cylinders?? Anyone with this engine buy a heater from Kubota and if so where is it located?
 

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Thanks for posting such a great trick, I'm sure others at one point in time will experience that same problem and be on their way running using it.
Al
 

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Although it was warmer today my M7040 has been sitting unstarted for maybe a month. I know how it starts, in fact I've dine a fair amount of testing on tge glow plugs since I feel Kubota has missed the boat in hiw they manage their use. In ALL my otger diesels glow plugs cime on much MUCH earlier than on the M7040. Today I tried this trick and it made the tractor start as if it's 80 degrees out. It worked.
 

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Engine design determines if GP's are required and at what ambient temperature the GP's need to be activated. I own a JD 4255 & Ford 6700 of which neither has GP's and both will start just fine in sub freezing temperatures without the need of GP's or ether. Granted it doesn't get as cold in Texas as in some other places. I've never had a problem starting my M7040 in sub freezing weather but the GP activation trick is good to know
 

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I also have a M7040 and have never been told about this. I do have a block heater in this. If I plug it in for say 3 hours it will start right up at -30 just great. I will keep this in the back of my head - till next time!!