Don't you just hate it??

Stmar

Active member

Equipment
B2650HSDC
May 23, 2017
929
47
28
Buffalo, Wyoming
I think I posted a while back about a vibration/noise in my central heat system. I spent all summer worrying about how to attack the problem, wanted it to cool down so that I could get a clear picture of the system. Finally got a cool period and fired up the heater and no noise!!! How do you fix something that does not show anything wrong and works like it is supposed to??? Same think with the Subaru Outback, heard a noise, tried to replicate and could not. Have driven it about 500 miles and no problems, now have to decide before winter new tires or new vehicle. Anybody have the Honda HR-V or CR-V in a cold climate, if so what engine in the CR-V? How about the Toyota RAV4?
 

85Hokie

Moderator
Staff member
Lifetime Member

Equipment
BX-25D ,PTB. Under Armor, '90&'92-B7100HST's, '06 BX1850 FEL
Jul 13, 2013
10,745
2,551
113
Bedford - VA
Have a 2010 CR-V ....2 wd drive and I pull it up the driveway with my BX25D! Little snow and the wife aint getting out!

Aint nothing going have 4WD like your Outback - you will be disappointed on the all wheel drive of the CR-V.

As for engines - there are different designs - but more or less the same HP and torque. Both 4 bangers at 2.5 ish liters.
 

NoJacketRequired

Active member

Equipment
B7510 & LA302 FEL & B2782 blower, B7510 & B2781 blower, B2410 & B2550 blower
May 25, 2016
432
68
28
Ottawa, Ontario
Can't speak to current Honda products. Owned both the first and second gen CRV's. Bought the first gen brand new in 2000, finally sold it in 2012. Best vehicle I ever owned. Period. Put four good snow tires on it and it was unbeatable in snow. Oh, BTW, it was a 5-speed tranny - don't know about how well they perform in snow with auto trannies. I previously had real "trucks" with typical part-time 4wd systems - transfer cases, locking hubs etc. Figured going to the Honda AWD system would be a real disappointment. NOPE, not at all. Was very impressed with how well it handled winter, and we get real winter here. My best trip in it was with fresh powder coming down at an incredible rate... The last hour of the trip had the CR-V dragging its belly in the snow. Terrible for gas mileage, but we got through when very few others did.

The second generation CR-V wasn't nearly as good as the first gen. Bigger, heavier, more luxurious and comfortable, but waaaaaay less fun to drive. Could never get it to do a flick turn or 4-wheel power slide like the first gen would do. Wasn't as mechanically reliable as the first gen, either. It ate suspension links for breakfast - cost me about $500 a year to keep them from clunking. Replaced them with aftermarket greaseable links that lasted more than twice as long while costing 25% as much as the OEM parts. It also ate headlight bulbs. And air conditioning compressor clutches. I wasn't impressed. Then Honda moved CR-V production to the USA and did away with manual transmissions. That 2006 CR-V was likely my last Honda after having been a dedicated and loyal customer since 1982.

My new ride is a 2018 Subaru Forester... the last year they were available with a manual transmission. (Do you detect a theme here?) It is nearly as much fun to drive as my Gen 1 CR-V. It gets far better fuel economy, and provides much better ride comfort, quiet, etc, at the expense of having very few cockpit storage cubbyholes. Honda wins hands-down in cockpit design. So far the Subie has been completely trouble-free mechanically and has not been back to the dealer for any reason in its first 14 months of ownership. I love how easy oil changes are, thanks to Subaru being the only manufacturer who understands where an oil filter should be placed. A good set of snow tires makes it a serious performer in the snow. I've had Blizzaks on both CR-V's and now the Forester. If you want winter performance, buy dedicated snow tires - their cost is about the same as the insurance deductible from the first fender-bender they prevent.

I can't say for certain whether the Forester is better in the snow than the Gen 1 CR-V or not. The Gen 1 CR-V had no electronic nannies so I drove it like a hooligan, all the time. It was just plain FUN in the snow. The Subie has a nannie that can't be turned off, so one can't hoon around too wildly in it. Still, I can do flick turns in it if properly timed and the vehicle is empty of passengers and nearly empty of fuel, otherwise it's got too much traction to overcome the parsimonious electronic nanny that will try to limit wheelspin. My most simple performance test is to come round the corner onto our country road, get the tranny into 2nd gear, mash the throttle to the floorboards and accelerate to redline, then crash the brake pedal while dipping the clutch. Sure, this only tests straight-line performance, but it's a good, consistent test of that straight-line performance. The Forester and Gen 1 CR-V have shown similar results in this test, with the Subie perhaps keeping a straighter line and attaining a higher top speed, thanks to its taller gearing and having a bit more power. The other way of looking at this test is that the Subie CAN put more power down and haul itself along a little faster than the Gen 1 CR-V, so I guess that gives the traction edge to the Subie.

Again, I can't speak to the performance of current-gen Honda products as they don't make a product that I am able to buy, and now neither does Subaru for the 2019 model year. RIP manual transmissions.

BTW for cold-weather starting, it's hard to beat Honda engines. I stopped installing block heaters in our Honda fleet in the late 80's and have never needed one since, even in sub-zero (F) temperatures. Just remember, a factory Honda battery is good for exactly six winters if properly cared for. You won't get through the 7th winter, so just replace it in the fall of the 7th year while it's still warm enough outside to enjoy the task.

My father has a 2012 RAV-4. B_O_R_I_N_G in every respect. Just barely OK in snow. Can't be pushed hard enough to have any fun at all. Consider it a grandpa-mobile. Don't even consider it if you like having any fun at all driving in the winter.
 
Last edited:

Josef

New member
Lifetime Member

Equipment
2014 Kubota MX 5200 with 6 la1065 loader, sq172 Bush hog shredder, 6 ' Armstrong
Feb 25, 2016
282
0
0
victoria tx 77904
Vibration most probably comes from the squirrel cage motor. I've found in situations like this, when it gets broke enough, you'll find it.
 

Stmar

Active member

Equipment
B2650HSDC
May 23, 2017
929
47
28
Buffalo, Wyoming
Vibration most probably comes from the squirrel cage motor. I've found in situations like this, when it gets broke enough, you'll find it.
I ran the AC a few times this summer, which uses the squirrel cage, and had no issues. I am sure when it is 50 below the problem will show itself if there is a problem.

Leaning toward a new Outback, price difference is not that much. Don't know whether to just get new tires and make it though the winter or bite the bullet now, would like to wait for the 2020 models since I heard there were some improvements coming.