Distributing "playground" wood chips with tractors

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I have 300 yards of "playground mulch" coming Monday to refurbish my riding arena. It will arrive in roughly 9 35 yard truck loads, assuming it doesn't rain.

My question is what would be the optimal directions to give to the truck drivers as to how to distribute the loads in the arena, and the great unknown is how good they are at doing anything besides dumping it in a pile. The other unknown is what will work the best to get it distributed evenly, and that I hope you can give me some suggestions for.

Background: this is a 75 ft by 163 ft arena, designed for Fibar, which is an "engineered" wood chip product which I can't get any more, mostly because I can't get the semi trucks in my driveway and backyard any more, and then there is the cost. So I make do with the various products that can be had locally. If the wood is too chipsy, it floats off in the rain, if it is too finely ground it deteriorates too fast. This playground mulch is the closest, but it is, as was the Fibar, a real bugger to spread, even by a pro. Rolled up in a ball in front of his dozer for example. The last time we did it, the pro allowed as how the most cost effective thing was to recruit his teenage son and a couple of his buddies and we used my Gater and a pitchfork to distribute it. Took a week or so of after school times. I would like to do it this time, with the little tractors if possible, lacking access to some cheap teenagers.

Here is what makes it challenging: the arena is crowned, and layered very carefully to make it drain. There is a stabilization mat covered by compacted road base that is crowned. There is a 1 inch layer of washed sand over that, and then there is supposed to be 3 inches of wood chips over that. The original instructions say to go around with a screwdriver with inch marks taped off on it to make sure you get the depth right for chips plus sand. A perfect project for someone with OCD :( . The border to keep the chips in is railroad ties and is up off the base by an inch to let the water drain under it. The arena has been in for almost 25 years and works like a champ, but you have to be careful not to let too much organic material accumulate in amongst the chips (eg leaves from the @#$ walnut trees) or to use anything much more than a chainlink drag on it. About every 10 years you have to take it down to the roadbase and relayer the sand and the chips, which was done about 5 years ago. So I want to get 3 inches of chips on top of what is left without disturbing the sand layer.

So I am puzzling about best way to get it evenly distributed. I don't want to shove around any small piles with my bucket because that will almost certainly shove the sand layer with it. If there are 9 piles distributed 4 to a side just off the midline along the long side, I have room to back up and attack them without backing into the fence (hopefully), and could distribute the bucketfuls along the track one at a time. Alternatively I could have them try to drive and spread, and then try to even it out with a landscape rake? I can experiment on my techniques, but I only have one chance on the directions to the truck drivers. As potential tools, I have the L3560 with R4s, FEL with bucket, and back blade, and the B2650 with turfs, smaller bucket and landscape rake, as choices to do this with. The B and its turfs don't dig up the arena, and I have used it and the rake to smooth out the surface to get it ready.

Suggestions?

Thanks guys!
 

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I'd suggest for them to back as far as possible and spread as they pull out. Most drivers are good enough with gravel, if you have them spread with their truck you wouldn't have to do anything. But with this product you may need other options.

This home made tool will outwork a whole team of teenagers! Just welded up a frame to fit the pickup teeth from a baler.

Use it for rock driveway, dethatching yard, getting dirt ready for seed....

Want me to sent it via Fastenal?:D:D
 

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If the chips are smaller than the gaps in the landscape rake, im betting you will
Have the most success with that. May have to try it at different angles.

Good drivers should have no problens spreading it. May be a couple loads before you get the chain settings figured out. They set the chains to limit how far end gate opens. Then there is how fast they drive out.
There is a good chance the material will "bridge" and not come out at all.
Now, it depends, if this is something the driver hauls on a regular basis he will tell you what is possible and what isnt.
 

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If the chips are smaller than the gaps in the landscape rake, im betting you will
Have the most success with that. May have to try it at different angles.

Good drivers should have no problens spreading it. May be a couple loads before you get the chain settings figured out. They set the chains to limit how far end gate opens. Then there is how fast they drive out.
There is a good chance the material will "bridge" and not come out at all.
Now, it depends, if this is something the driver hauls on a regular basis he will tell you what is possible and what isnt.
It will be worth a try, but I would bet it would bridge and then all come out at once. He won't be able to drive very fast since there are railroad ties at the end.
 

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I looked and thought it said disturbing playground ,,,, Thinking to my self what the duce did sheepfarmer get into this time :eek:

You have a back blade I think. Would try backing in to the piles and drop the blade a bit and drag it out or even maybe a chain harrow might work too
 

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The thing that jumps in my brain is to broadcast it somehow. Somehow. I'm at a loss from here. But if you could set up in various spots and spray it out to watch the depth of the mulch as you go would be the cats meow. There's something out there that would work, just don't know what it is or how much it would cost. Maybe someone will read this and the light bulb will come on.
 

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Yes that would work, it is the idea of getting 3 inches on top of 1 inch of material in nice layers that is the tough part. Hey I wonder if I could get my Cyclone rake to run in reverse ?:eek:
 

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D2 I wonder if the tines on your gadget would mix the sand up with the chips? I am still thinking about that idea. The chips are more like rough slivers than chunks, and tend to stick together. If they were more chunky seems like the rain would wash the sand down where it belonged, but chunkier wood doesn't make good footing.
 

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... manure spreader?

Sure SOME truck drivers can spread it fairly easily when chaining their tailgate.... but those drivers seem to have all retired!:(
 

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I'd go with what D2 suggested, i use one with only 2 rows and works great for a lot of applications and I think yours would be one of them. I used JD baler teeth an old perling from a metal building and some 3/8" flat steel. It works best if you slow your 3 point down with the valve then it's not diving in and grabbing a lot of the product.
 

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For spreading large volumes of gravel or shavings like your situation, I always use a rock bucket.
You can push large amounts while it spreads itself out the bottom of the bucket. Get everything roughly spread, then reverse in float mode and it all smooths out. Works very similar to a landscape rake but more efficient for spreading.

Jeff
 

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If you need the "rake" ( or any other implement)to stay at a particular elevation, since you're working on flat ground you can attach a couple of chains where your top link attaches to the tractor and then at the 3pt pins.

I made these brackets to hold my flail mower at one height while I was mowing fields. It keeps me from having to turn around and constantly check mowing height.

I'm sure you can buy them already stamped out.
 

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#1 Box blade
#2 Land plane
#3 Landscape rake... but run it with the tines going in the reverse direction, it will force the wood chips down and level them.
#4 Spike tooth harrow set very light.
#5 Standard blade... but again set in reverse direction.
 

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I obviously don't have enough impliments to choose from!! I decided to turn the landscape rake around so I could give it a try it tines back before the delivery tomorrow, and after a brief wrestling match to get it to clear the tractor,, promptly got distracted by someone trying to get my attention, forgot to pick it up at the end of the arena and bent a gauge wheel support rod :mad: Moral, don't go on working when you're tired or you'll do stupid stuff.

Are you supposed to take the gauge wheels off if you are going to run it with tines pointed back? Mine has the holes to change the angle and swivel 180o, but the gauge wheels are an option. Swiveling it 180 puts the wheels ahead of the rake. Looks kind of funny, but it doesn't look like they can be remounted to get them behind the rake. When I go out to do chores I'll take a picture.
 

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Distributing "playground" wood chips with tractors

Tiller? If you close the rear door completely you may be able to get it to load up and drag the material out some
Set the skids so tines are 3" above sand layer

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