BX preheat

countrynerd

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I know what manual say. But curious if anyone deviates longer then 10 seconds?

I did 30 seconds what are issues with doing longer? Guess used to old bobcat.



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skeets

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I count 5 and then go in cold weather, most times just crank it over and she starts , a little rough but fires and then smooths out. 30 seconds is way to long
 

tcrote5516

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I run about 20 seconds when temps are 20 and below. When its single digits I will go up to 30 sec. Its a catch 22, would you rather replace a glow plug or a starter. I'd rather hold the glow longer and get a faster and smoother start.
 

KeithG

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I run about 20 seconds when temps are 20 and below. When its single digits I will go up to 30 sec. Its a catch 22, would you rather replace a glow plug or a starter. I'd rather hold the glow longer and get a faster and smoother start.
This is about what I do also! Must be us New Englanders... :D I tried to shorten the time and all I would get would be black puffs of smoke and sputters for what I thought was a long time. Since I have used the longer times it starts right up unless the fuel is jelled/frozen (happened once and not since I have used the Diesel 911).
 

bearskinner

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When it's really cold, like this week, I plug in the block heater an hour or more before I fire it up, so it starts like it's a warm sunny day out. Than I can go plow snow!
 

countrynerd

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This morning 1 degree F. It struggled so turned preheat another 5 seconds. Total 15 sec. had oil pan magnet heat on for hour prior too


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I'm curious- is there any data- real proof- that heating the plugs longer is harmful to them? I doubt that there it is. A tight, high compression engine is going to start quicker, so on these newer tractors, it may be difficult to determine if they start quicker because they are new, or because the glow plug system is better. On my B7100, it wouldn't start, at any temps, without glow plugs (cold engine). 8 or 10 seconds in summer weather, it would fire right up. Cold/Winter weather- 20-30 seconds, minimum. The V1702 in my Bobcat- a minimum of 30 seconds, and the instructions are to heat the plugs for 45 seconds. So, not every diesel is the same for the time to heat the plugs. Yet, I'm not replacing glow plugs in our equipment. As a side note, my JD 790 doesn't use glow plugs, but an intake heater (like a Cummins). I've never owned a diesel that starts faster.
In my opinion, I'd rather replace some glow plugs at some future time, than barely start a cold engine or overwork a starter. I can not imagine that over the years, an extra 5 or 10 seconds of heating is going to change the life of the plugs.
 

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Hodge, I know on the Ford 6.9 you needed to be sure of the brand of GP because if you held them on (caused by a bad GP controller) the GP would burn out. Then often swell on the end, and can not fit through the head. If they couldn't be worked out of the head you ended up removing the head to get the GP out.

Some guys would unscrew them and when they wouldn't come out, leave them loose and let the truck run with the hood up! Sometimes they would eject like a 22 going off.

I don't know for a fact, but I'd guess the GP circuit on Kubota is like 10.5 volts and they use GPs rated for 12 volts to give some room for error.

Talk about a fast starting engine, get a direct injection head. That L3250 with low compression would start so fast I had to cut the fuel off to keep it from starting while adjusting the valves.

I have a Deutz 6206 DI that will start almost instantly after setting 2 months in a cold barn. Just need a good battery to spin it fast enough.
 

countrynerd

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I just added remote switch to turn magnet heater on oil pan before going outside. Thinking 30 min or hour? But does that do anything to help with pre heat time or is that more warming the air for combustion


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My experience is the oil pan heaters are about 300watt heaters. Not really going to heat up a cold oil pan and oil much. Might be fine to have it on there when you finish using the tractor and the oil is warm and you want to hold the temp. as long as possible, and leave it on for a long time.

Another consideration, the oil pan heaters are magnetic and made to attach themselves to a steel pan. Does your tractor have a steel oil pan, or do you glue the heater to the alum?
 

countrynerd

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Steel as aluminum I would think would dissipate to much heat and would agree useless. I guess cannot hurt other then electric bill [emoji51]


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08quadram

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Put on a block heater. Let my bx warm 45 minutes or so while I walk the dog and eat breakfast. Starts better than a 70 degree day.

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DTWCastle

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Just installed the block heater on my BX yesterday. I was happy to see that once the engine cover was off there was TONS of room. Worst part was draining the coolant that sprays all over the back of the engine.
 

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I know what manual say. But curious if anyone deviates longer then 10 seconds?

I did 30 seconds what are issues with doing longer? Guess used to old bobcat.



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ON "warm" days I hit it for about 5 real seconds - when cold, like under 32F I hit it for 20 seconds or so.

I can see holding it for a long time would "hurt" the glow plugs - then again that is what they are designed to do. Like saying it hurts a spark plug to be fired..........both are electrical parts, both will go "bad" over the life of the engine - but the glow plugs are designed to get "hot" and preheat the engine combustion chamber. SO a "little" too much would only heat it and help it better to start.
 

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How do you know if your glow plugs are bad and need replacing?
Unhook the top lead - take an VOLT/OHM meter set to resistance, and measure across top connection and ground.....should be a very low number, close to 1 ohm, anything above 10 ohms would be suspect. OR you take them out and hook them to a 12 volts battery and touch em!......:D:)
 

Trail

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Unhook the top lead - take an VOLT/OHM meter set to resistance, and measure across top connection and ground.....should be a very low number, close to 1 ohm, anything above 10 ohms would be suspect. OR you take them out and hook them to a 12 volts battery and touch em!......:D:)
Are there any signs they should be tested though? Maybe it doesn't start as good I suppose. Would the light still light up, and the noise be the same?

After reading this Thread I realized I have abused mine, though I don't know it.