Brake Chatter-L3400dt

Adirondack

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L3400, L5240
Dec 8, 2015
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Upstate NY, USA
Hello. I need some advice.

Tractor is a 2006, I bought it new. Summer of 2015, the right brake started howling when applied. I was loading logs on the sawmill with it. I flipped up the metal lever so the brakes could be separated. I began using the left brake only. 20 minutes later, that one started doing the same thing. Hydro fluid was low, about a gallon or so (Backhoe quick connect was the problem). I added more fluid and it made no difference. Both brakes howl independently of one another.

The brake pedals have always been good. No difference in travel than from new. At the time, it had about 425hrs on it. There is no feedback from the pedal to indicate anything is warped. It now has 450hrs.

I brought it to a dealer last summer, who changed the fluid & filter with Super UDT. They adjusted the brakes so there was a lot more travel to the pedal. I brought it home, mounted the loader back on, then the backhoe. Within 10 minutes, the noise was back. Called the dealer. They said it is nothing to be concerned about, just brake chatter. Said as the brakes are applied, there are "ramps" that the mechanism rides up on. In time the two parts start to chatter as a groove is worn into the ramps. They said it was the fluid I was using, and that it would go away in time as the new Kubota fluid had a chance to start penetrating the parts.

I had been planning a 2nd tractor purchase for some time, and pulled the trigger on a 2007 L5240 in August of 2015. I used the 5240 last year to put in all of our firewood for 3 families.

I want to get the L3400 fixed. It has been mostly sitting (unless I need the backhoe, and I am not crazy about using it with the noise it makes). I am ready and willing to bring it in the garage this winter and tear down the rear end. I have looked at the parts diagrams and I don't see anything too difficult. I will purchase a service manual.

Before I do any of this though, I have found anti-chatter additive for John Deeres with wet brakes. From what I understand, some models of John Deere's (like the 970, 1070) are prone to this problem. I found that New Holland also makes an additive. I don't think I have anything to lose by trying a couple of bottles. Tractor is a shuttle shift, so I don't have to worry about a foreign fluid messing up a hydrostat.

Should I try the additive, or open it up to see if the howling is a symptom of a bigger issue?
 
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Bulldog

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M 9000 DTC, L 3000 DT
Mar 30, 2010
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Rocky Face, Georgia
My L3000 has almost 4x that many hrs and the brakes are quiet as they were new. Over time have you used fluid other than Kubota fluid? I have seen the wrong fluid used in some equipment and it eat the lining off the brake disk.
 

Adirondack

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Equipment
L3400, L5240
Dec 8, 2015
13
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Upstate NY, USA
My L3000 has almost 4x that many hrs and the brakes are quiet as they were new. Over time have you used fluid other than Kubota fluid? I have seen the wrong fluid used in some equipment and it eat the lining off the brake disk.
Yes. I did use other fluids. I forgot to mention, when I bought my 5240, I mentioned this to the dealership owner, and how the other dealership said it would go away. He agreed with what the other dealer said. I am just nevous about using it in case it is something bigger.

I suppose it would take me a day to get it torn down so I could inspect one side of it. I am putting it off to the week between Christmas when I am on vacation. I figured what do I have to lose by trying a wet brake additive by CNH or John Deere?
 

Bulldog

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Equipment
M 9000 DTC, L 3000 DT
Mar 30, 2010
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Rocky Face, Georgia
I hate you're having problems, this is exactly why I won't cut corners with lubricants. It may save money up front but in the bigger picture you're shooting yourself in the foot.

Keep us posted on how it goes.
 

Adirondack

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Equipment
L3400, L5240
Dec 8, 2015
13
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Upstate NY, USA
I don't know why I took so long to address this issue. I ordered some PEMO Friction modifier from John Deere last week. I ordered (5) 12oz bottles to get my order up to qualify for free shipping. I figured if it works, I'll have enough for the next 20 years.

I ran up to the barn this morning. Bottle says do not over-treat. Okay, how much is over-treating? Says add 1 to 1.2% by volume.. Well, I guess (1) 12oz bottle won't hurt anything. While I'm breaking the foil seal with a cotter pin, I'm squeezing the bottle a little. Some of the fluid oozes out. It's very thick, like gear oil in winter. Takes a few minutes to drain out.

Fired the tractor up, hit the brakes coming down the hill in neutral. Every time I shove the brakes all the way in, the growl lessens to the point it is gone. I drive it uphill and drift back (this was always the loudest). By about the 5th time I stomped on the brakes, the noise is gone.

I am very pleased to say the least. We'll put some hours on it next weekend bringing firewood down the mountain on trailers. I will report back on the results.