Removal of DPF filter?

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It has turn signals and it also turns heads :cool:

I was sorely tempted by the Masserati Grantourismo convertible. It has a similar look and even more "sport".

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But thats a $350K car and the only way I could fit one into my budget was something 10+ years old. That means lots less technology which I did not want. Plus insurance and repair costs are big ticket items so I decided to be "sensible" and buy another BMW. Even so the other old Hokie thinks I have lost my mind. She may be right....
My 85 yo neighbor just bought a Mercedes AMG SLE, '24 I think.
 

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How many have you deleted? Most of the time it’s the actual emissions components that cause problems. If they are not there they cannot cause a problem.

Not everyone wants a 47 year old tractor.
Not a week goes by that someone wants to have KOBD ACE connected to their "deleted" unit as they're having problems. When they undelete it, it can then be diagnosed with KOBD ACE.
 
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Not a week goes by that someone wants to have KOBD ACE connected to their "deleted" unit as they're having problems. When they undelete it, it can then be diagnosed with KOBD ACE.
Care to elaborate on what the problem ends up being? So if you have a trouble code for a water in fuel sensor it cannot be read unless it’s returned to stock?
 

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Not a tree hugger but my most recent vehicle is full electric. Yep it snaps your neck back when you hit the go pedal, runs away and hides from all kind of so called "hot cars and bikes" and no smell or racket to boot. The feel is like a mid 60s big block Pontiac V8 but no noise or fumes. Absolutely LOVE it and will never go back to a fuel burner again. (though you ain't gettin my Kubota unless you pry it away from my cold dead hands kinda like my gun(s) )
Not only great to drive but like a license to print money. So called "fuel costs) are less than $.02 per mile. We also have a hybrid. Though quite honestly now after living with full electric for 2 years driving the hybrid feels like a Motel T in comparison
 
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Care to elaborate on what the problem ends up being? So if you have a trouble code for a water in fuel sensor it cannot be read unless it’s returned to stock?
YEP!
Kubota dealers can not legally work on deleted equipment.
 
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Care to elaborate on what the problem ends up being? So if you have a trouble code for a water in fuel sensor it cannot be read unless it’s returned to stock?
I don't recall that anyone has ever let us know what they discovered. It is not legal for any Tech to service a deleted piece of equipment.
 

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Not a tree hugger but my most recent vehicle is full electric. Yep it snaps your neck back when you hit the go pedal, runs away and hides from all kind of so called "hot cars and bikes" and no smell or racket to boot. The feel is like a mid 60s big block Pontiac V8 but no noise or fumes. Absolutely LOVE it and will never go back to a fuel burner again. (though you ain't gettin my Kubota unless you pry it away from my cold dead hands kinda like my gun(s) )
Not only great to drive but like a license to print money. So called "fuel costs) are less than $.02 per mile. We also have a hybrid. Though quite honestly now after living with full electric for 2 years driving the hybrid feels like a Motel T in comparison
We have had a Cadillac Lyriq for a year now.
It's super cheap to own, insure, maintain and drive.
And yes it's super fast and super quiet.
It's also great to drive in foul weather!
Also super comfortable to ride in!

Yes also have a diesel truck for the hard jobs.
 
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I don't recall that anyone has ever let us know what they discovered. It is not legal for any Tech to service a deleted piece of equipment.
It may not be legal, but it is a common practice.

We have dozens of pieces of equipment and vehicles both that get serviced just fine, and they all are “lighter” in the exhaust department.
 
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It may not be legal, but it is a common practice.

We have dozens of pieces of equipment and vehicles both that get serviced just fine, and they all are “lighter” in the exhaust department.
I will not stoop to that low of level.
It is against company policy.
It is a violation of federal law and carries a huge personal fine.
 
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I will not stoop to that low of level.
It is against company policy.
It is a violation of federal law and carries a huge personal fine.
Of course that is a perfectly acceptable stance to hold. Can’t say I blame you.

I’m just saying that across four different states, we have had no shortage of willing technicians to work on both our equipment and vehicles that are sans-DPF. It’s a non issue.
 
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Of course that is a perfectly acceptable stance to hold. Can’t say I blame you.

I’m just saying that across four different states, we have had no shortage of willing technicians to work on both our equipment and vehicles that are sans-DPF. It’s a non issue.
Independent shops, no authorized dealers will work on equipment with altered emissions systems. This means no warranty service.
 

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Independent shops, no authorized dealers will work on equipment with altered emissions systems. This means no warranty service.
Considering that the warranty is completely off the table once the DPF falls off, that’s really a moot point, no?

Not to mention that I have two pieces of equipment sitting at dealers (One Kubota, one Deere) as we speak getting hydraulic pump work done, and neither of them have the muzzle on their exhaust.
 

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I don't recall that anyone has ever let us know what they discovered. It is not legal for any Tech to service a deleted piece of equipment.
Out of curiosity are you saying that a service tech can not work on a piece of equipment that has emissions equipment deleted for any reason? Bad axle bearing for example that has nothing to do with the emissions.

I am not asking about the dealers stance or service shop stance, but Federal Law.
 

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Out of curiosity are you saying that a service tech can not work on a piece of equipment that has emissions equipment deleted for any reason? Bad axle bearing for example that has nothing to do with the emissions.

I am not asking about the dealers stance or service shop stance, but Federal Law.
Thats an interesting question and I am not a lawyer.

The law prohibits maufacturing or knowingly tampering with emissions devices, or falsely certifying their operation.

So in my lay opinion something like changing a tire on a machine with a modded emission system would not be a violation. But anything that involves hooking up a diagnostic scanner or working on the engine puts you in a precarious position. At that point you are knowingly working on a modified emissions system.

Dont take that to the bank.

Dan