Help with BH92 Hydraulic Hose

[invisibleotis]

I'm sure this is answered somewhere but I've owned a tractor less than a year (my wife says I'm cosplaying) and I can't find the right keywords to understand what's going on here.

On my BH92 backhoe, one of the hydraulic hoses that controls the left/right boom started to come undone and was spraying fluid everywhere. I originally thought it had just come loose, so I tightened it again, but as you could expect, when I move the boom left/right, it instantly loosens* the nut to the point where I can easily spin it with my hand.

Before you comment, this picture was just to get the tractor back to the where I park it, when I first tightened it, I kept the hose pointing directly forward and it still came loose.

 

[Russell King]

That is an odd problem!

The hose (probably) has a female JIC swivel fitting on its end that screws onto a port adapter in the cylinder. The fittings have a tapered metal connection to seal the hydraulic fluid pressure. They are generally very easy to attach and tighten up easily. There is probably some proper torque value but I just snug them together with two wrenches (one on the adapter so it doesn’t turn, and one on the hose end) until it is “tight”.

Clean up the area to get the dirt away from the fittings..

Looking closely at your picture the right hose seems to go onto the fitting much further than the left fitting. That makes me think that is not the proper adapter fitting tee into the cylinder. But since it has been working for a year that would be odd.

Please take the hose completely off the fitting and use some clean rags to wipe everything clean, take pictures if possible. It will probably be dripping oil out so put down a catch pan and you may want someone else to help take pictures since your hands will be oily and you will probably want to get it back together quickly.

I am asking @TheOldHokie to chime in since he has much more experience and knowledge about this stuff than I do. Hopefully he will be along soon.

 

[TheOldHokie]

Disconnect the hose and slide the nut rearward as shown below. Inspect the threads and the flared seat for signs of dammage. Do the same for the male fitting on the cylinder. If no damage found reattach the hose by first placing the flared seat squaely against the male flare on the cylinder. Then slide the nut up and tighten hand tight making sure the nut is not cross threaded and the female flare stays square to the male flare. Once hand tight tighten securely with a wrench.

Dan

 

[PoTreeBoy]

The BH92 is similar to the BT900 used on the L35. Those hoses get pulled pretty hard when the hoe is fully swung. One member used heavy tie wraps around the cylinder to help. You have to tighten those pretty snug.

I seem to have a little drip back there, need to crawl under. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[TheOldHokie]

The BH92 is similar to the BT900 used on the L35. Those hoses get pulled pretty hard when the hoe is fully swung. One member used heavy tie wraps around the cylinder to help. You have to tighten those pretty snug.

I seem to have a little drip back there, need to crawl under. Thanks for the reminder.

Use the "flats" method for best results:

1. Align the flares and tighten with a wrench until light resistance is felt
2. From that point tighten 1-1/2 flats for a JIC-08 tube nut.

Dan

 

[invisibleotis]

Thanks everyone, this is my first experience in this forum and I'm so grateful for the help. Brings me back to the old forum days I used to love 25 years ago . I only go to our property on the weekends at this rate so I will try out the suggestions on Saturday and update here.

 

[Russell King]

The BH92 is similar to the BT900 used on the L35. Those hoses get pulled pretty hard when the hoe is fully swung. One member used heavy tie wraps around the cylinder to help. You have to tighten those pretty snug.

I seem to have a little drip back there, need to crawl under. Thanks for the reminder.

@invisibleotis

Before you take it apart, it would be a good idea to swing the hoe fully in both directions to see where they might be hitting the static frame. Then arrange the hoses a bit inside that limit. Then you could probably use a wide Velcro strap to hold the hoses together if that is necessary. (I don’t like using wire ties on hoses since they can wear through the hose casing.)

https://www.amazon.com/Wrap-Heavy-Duty-Storage-Straps-Large/dp/B01N6VG9YY

The hose could be limited in its travel and acting as a lever to loosen the nut on the flared end as you use the backhoe.

Edit: I love autocorrect! Changed “ideal” to “idea” to make sentence correct.

 

[invisibleotis]

Thanks so much everyone, I haven't done a full test, but I worked late all week so I could go out this afternoon and test some things.

- I got some of the padded clamps to safely hold the hose, but also as mentioned, I unscrewed the nut and when I reseated it, it seemed to hold better. Previously, even using 2 wrench to tighten, it was swiveling pretty hard. After reseating it, it was much easier to keep it in place when tightening.

I didn't have time to today to test though, so I look forward to reporting back after this weekend.

 

[Chanceywd]

@invisibleotis

Before you take it apart, it would be a good ideal to swing the hoe fully in both directions to see where they might be hitting the static frame. Then arrange the hoses a bit inside that limit. Then you could probably use a wide Velcro strap to hold the hoses together if that is necessary. (I don’t like using wire ties on hoses since they can wear through the hose casing.)

https://www.amazon.com/Wrap-Heavy-Duty-Storage-Straps-Large/dp/B01N6VG9YY

The hose could be limited in its travel and acting as a lever to loosen the nut on the flared end as you use the backhoe.

Your last sentence was what I thought might be loosening it.
Maybe the hose was replaced and it is just a little shorter than what it needs to be so it pulls when it swings to that side?

Bill

 

[TheOldHokie]

Your last sentence was what I thought might be loosening it.
Maybe the hose was replaced and it is just a little shorter than what it needs to be so it pulls when it swings to that side?

Bill

Thats why they make live swuvel hose ends.

 

[Chanceywd]

Thats why they make live swuvel hose ends.


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Never happened to use one exactly like that one.
Seems like that would be a better solution for this problem.

 

[TheOldHokie]

Never happened to use one exactly like that one.
Seems like that would be a better solution for this problem.

I use them and they work well. Also easy to screw directly into a fixed ORB port. About $10 more than a rigid elbow hose end.

Dan

 

[Killer Bee]

standard swivel hose ends are designed for hose and fitting positioning, not dynamic operation.

live swivels are designed for continuous movement, swivel hose ends are not.

good luck!

quick read;

The Essential Roles of Swivel Adapters vs. Live Swivels

quick video;

 

[TheOldHokie]

standard swivel hose ends are designed for hose and fitting positioning, not dynamic operation.

live swivels are designed for continuous movement, swivel hose ends are not.

good luck!

quick read;

The Essential Roles of Swivel Adapters vs. Live Swivels

quick video;

True - my picture is not a true live swivel designed for continuous use and I should not have used that term..

But that male ORB swivel end will not loosen or leak under occasional pulling like a rigid bent tube JIC female swivel end will. And irs a fraction the oost of a true live swivel.

The correct solution is proper hose routing with an adequate working loop and a strain relief if needed. Unfortunately thats sometimes next to impossible given the small dimensions and short hose runs on these "sub-compact" machines.

Dan

 

[invisibleotis]

That's really neat, and I'll save that if I run into problems again. Just to close the loop here, since I did do both suggestions I can't say exactly what worked but I will say, I think the main issue was likely that I unseated the hose slightly.

I know I mentioned it above but to say again why, I noticed that when I was tightening the nut before, it would pull the hose along with it very hard while using the 2nd wrench to try to hold it in place. Once I took it off, seated it properly and tightened the nut again, it took barely any effort to hold the hose in place. Noobie lesson learned, thank you so much!

I'm hoping to get a grapple next and have some fun