RIP Ford F150e (long live the F150)

[jimh406]

I am looking at my electric bill right now and I have to agree with the people commenting on that article. The conclusions fail a basic arithmetic test.

Electricity rates are radically different across the US just like gasoline/diesel. If we are only talking about fuel vs electricity, the math is all over the place. Here's a comparison.

Electricity prices in the U.S. vary significantly by state, with
Hawaii consistently having the highest residential rates (around 40¢/kWh) and states like Louisiana, Nevada, Oklahoma, or Idaho offering the lowest (around 10-12¢/kWh), with national averages hovering near 18¢/kWh as of late 2025, influenced by energy mix, regulation, and population density.

High-Cost Areas (Residential):

• Hawaii: Often the highest, with rates exceeding 39¢ to over 40¢ per kilowatt-hour (kWh) due to island logistics.
• Northeast/West Coast: States like California, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Alaska also see high rates (25¢-30¢+) due to infrastructure, policies, and dense populations.

Low-Cost Areas (Residential):

• South/Midwest: States like Louisiana, Nevada, Oklahoma, Idaho, Utah, North Dakota, Wyoming, and Iowa typically have the lowest rates (10¢-12¢/kWh) due to abundant resources (hydro, wind, gas) and lower regulatory costs.

National Averages (Late 2025):

• Overall U.S. Average: Around 18¢/kWh.
• Residential Average: Approximately 18¢/kWh.

 

[MapleLeafFarmer]

just a few unbiased facts from our area and btw I think the F150 is a fantastic vehicle except my fear of cost of replacing battery, range anxiety, and the rudy high cost of charging at puvblic (non subsidized) stations.

around here most public stations have rapidly moving to charging by the kwh used (not time)
charging at home is a hands down winner!

roughly 8.9 kWh of electricity = the energy in 1 litre of gasoline
roughly 33.8 kWh of electricity = the energy in 1 US gallon of gasoline

so making the math to convert kwh to gallons in US currency around here at public charging stations we pay C$0.70 (or U$0.51) per kwh of electricity which means per US gallon. Sometimes there are connection / start fees as well but I will just forget about these.

- 33.8 * C$0.70 = 23.66 C$ / gallon equivalent
- 33.8 * U$0.51 = 17.24 U$ / gallon equivalent

someplace earlier in this thread someone mentioned the cost savings of charging at home versus using for profit charging stations and they were so so right IMHO. charging away from a home charger is wickedly more expensive by a factor of about 6 fold more expensive. (gas price at public station about U$3 and for electricity $17 1/4 gallon equivelents)

That's the math in these parts ( i think) . Maybe different in yours. But the concept of electric of a commuter vehicle makes sense when I can charge at home. Long distances or when big hp (more energy density needed) not so much.

 

[TheOldHokie]

It is more than just the fuel cost, here is what the article says:

"According to the newly released Anderson Economic Group (AEG) Q3 2025 fueling cost study - which compares real-world fueling costs for ICE and EV cars and trucks, along with taxes and other factors"

Kinda sneaky in my opinion, it would be better to just state the facts, and it may be that the end result may be the same, and let the chips fall where they may.

The article is devoid of data - they need to show their work.

Here is some simple arithmetic. I pay .23 per Kwh for ekectricity. For a BEV getting 3 miles per Kwh thats less than .08 per mile. My daily driver gets a scant 20 MPG using 93 octane. At $3.45 per gallon (my last fillup) thats .17 per mile or twice as much.

Dan

 

[GreensvilleJay]

BUT... does your BEV do the SAME actual WORK as your ICE ? I know several 'have both', use the BEV for short,one person hauls. need the ICE to haul a trailer or 4 kids and hockey equipment.

 

[jimh406]

Price per gallon equivalent doesn't really matter since different vehicles of the same propulsion and type use different amounts of fuel. They can be tuned completely differently.

 

[TheOldHokie]

Price per gallon equivalent doesn't really matter since different vehicles of the same propulsion and type use different amounts of fuel. They can be tuned completely differently.

Cost per mile is apples to apples and easily compared. There is a very large darabase of data available. The data I gave earlier is empiracal dara using my 2007 BMW 335xi vs a 2024 BMW I4 eDrive40 . The I40 has the same HP, weighs 1000 pounds more, and is a bit quicker. I was actually conservative with the values I used.for the I4.

Dan

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Or electric is $ .0907 to 950KW and $ .1126 above that.

 

[MapleLeafFarmer]

AAA in US provides the following for public stations (averages across different levels and free public stations).
it excludes the fixed costs public stations can charge like membership fees, connection fees, idle fees, etc.... which will make the total cost per kw much higher.

AAA Fuel Prices