personal protection in the heat, ticks, poison ivy?

Splinters and Sparks

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There is no way I can dress in long sleeves in this heat! I just do what I must in my carhartt pants, boots, and sleeveless shirts.

The bugs and ticks- I just keep a good eye out t the end of the day.
I met a knew friend in the fight against poison ivy- Jewel Weed!

It grows near poison ivy, so most of the time (not always) I have a heads up before getting into ivy.
The second thing it does is makes an excellent salve for drying up and removing the itch once your infected. My wife makes the stuff, and WOW!
I got stung by a bee while moving lumber around on the tractor forks, she walked up and put some on the sting and I felt instant relief.

I use this stuff all the time on bug bites and skin rashes.

If anyone is interested, I bet I could get her to share her secret recipe for making it.
 

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Probably a quarter of my poison ivy problems are from my cats!
No doubt, got it up my right side and inside of my right arm AS WE SPEAK.... from football holding my youngest cat.

I'm highly allergic and generally like to keep atleast a little spot here and there on me year round LOL.

ANYTIME I'm out maintaining the farm, I'm guaranteed to get it.

I think I can literally look at it and contract it.

Several weeks ago when cutting the pond damn, I never even left the seat of the tractor..... and still got it.

But it is quite common for your furry friend to get some on them and then bring it in to you.

My main thing is to not get it all over my face. I swell up like crazy.
 
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I think I can literally look at it and contract it.
Yup, that's me too!

As a kid I'd just ride my bicycle 5' away from it in the roadside ditch, never touch it, and I'd get it! Other kids would laugh at me, as I would insist on riding on the other side of the road from where I knew it was!

Even weeks after I get it from working on my place, and Ice been on the road trucking, I get new spots popping out on me, just this morning a new spot on the side of my knee, and I haven't been home for 5 days.

In the summer I always take a cold shower after coming in from outside, if I'm only home for the day, I don't bother to turn on the water heater, usually do my outside clothes with an extra dose of dawn dish soap and a mild bleach solution too ...

Does anyone know if once permethrin is sprayed and dried on clothes if it's still a problem for cats? As I've read that while it's not a problem for dig, it is for cats, I do treat my cats for flea/ticks ... I bought a jug of the concentrate like above, but don't want to harm my cats.
 
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There is no way I can dress in long sleeves in this heat! I just do what I must in my carhartt pants, boots, and sleeveless shirts.
That is what i said to but it's better than this crap all over my arms! Makes it hard to sleep and go to work can't even put my arms down on a table .

As someone else said at least you can cold shower the heat away. I'm stuck with this crap for weeks.

It's amazing how you forget simple things as you get older.
 
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I wear blue jeans, short sleeve shirt, brightly colored (easier to see ticks on it), gloves, and I have a full brim hat.

I also use Sawyer Picaridin Insect repellent. So, far that has done the trick with no ticks or insect bites.

My wife, who is very allergic to poison ivy, uses a pre-contact poison ivy wipe. Then when she is down for the day, she uses the post contact wipes to clean up her arms, hands, neck, etc. and so far that is working for her.
 
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....Only problem getting rid of the oil is you can’t see it so you don’t know where it is or when it’s gone.
I my legs can heal from looking like I’ve been attacked by a herd of cats.
Use a UV (black light) flashlight.

Sometimes my clothing is drenched in sweat, but ticks/ivy have not been a real issue so far.
 
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That is what i said to but it's better than this crap all over my arms! Makes it hard to sleep and go to work can't even put my arms down on a table .

As someone else said at least you can cold shower the heat away. I'm stuck with this crap for weeks.

It's amazing how you forget simple things as you get older.
In post #8 I gave you an answer that would have spared you hours of misery. You won't get a rash if you cleanse the skin with soap and water often.
 
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That is what i said to but it's better than this crap all over my arms! Makes it hard to sleep and go to work can't even put my arms down on a table .

As someone else said at least you can cold shower the heat away. I'm stuck with this crap for weeks.

It's amazing how you forget simple things as you get older.
My cool down technique is to dunk my shirt in the creek. MAybe that cold water helps remove the ivy oils.
 

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I will always take extra breaks and drink more water to stay protected from ivy versus wearing shorts and no sleeves, because it's "too hot." Sounds like an excuse for being perpetually dehydrated. I live in VA, Humidity is a killer around here, just something you learn to deal with and work within your means.

I also get poison ivy badly and will do anything to keep from picking it up, loose-fitting full pants, sleeves, face protection, and gloves. After I'm working in the area I will strip down, clothes immediately into the wash, and I take a cold shower with 3 or 4 rinses of Tecnu and have had really good results with my method.
 
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Does anyone know if once permethrin is sprayed and dried on clothes if it's still a problem for cats?
I am THAT guy.
Permethrin is a neurotoxin. It's harmful to ANYTHING alive.

"He points to permethrin, often marketed as Nix, as one prominent example of the EPA's longstanding commitment to supporting the interests of the chemical industry over the interests of the people. Though permethrin was approved by the EPA as "safe and effective" back in 1982, it has since been revealed that the agency knew even back then that permethrin would cause cancer in as much as 10 percent of the total human population – and approved it anyway.

An internal memo penned by one of the EPA's most senior scientists as the time, Adrian Gross, explains that the evidence was "overwhelming" at the time to show that permethrin "has a marked tumor-inducing or carcinogenic activity which is expressed in many different forms."

This memo, which is now contained within the Poison Papers archive, fell on deaf ears with the EPA's then-acting director of its Hazards Evaluation Division, John Melone. Other EPA scientists similarly ignored such evidence as they proceeded to green-light permethrin, even going so far as to claim that it does not increase cancer risk."


https://www.poisonpapers.org/
 
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I spray the outside of the house with a permethrin and orange oil mix.

I spray my chainsaw chaps with permethrin and water mix.

Borax and / or diatomatious earth for ants.

In the summer, I am almost always wearing shorts and a t shirt. This summer has been lots of rain and muddy so.... as goofy as it looks I am usually wearing shorts with my mud boots in the field.

If I am working the chainsaw I wear my chainsaw chaps over my shorts. I hate hate hate - heat.

Ticks and poison oak are all over my property. Ticks are really bad in the grass by the stream.

Wearing shorts I can see the ticks even though sometimes I can't feel them. The mud boots go on and off real fast so they are my go to.

After being deep in the woods I do a body check nekid and shower. Scrub with a washcloth in the shower for poison oak.

Had a tick bite a few years ago... bullseye redness and the whole 9 yards. Doc said... "Welcome to the woods, don't worry about it".

Had a tick inbed itself in my belly button hole as a teen. Pulled that sucker out and it's head broke off under my skin. Have a scar there to this day.
 
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So i am a idiot and manged to get in some poison ivy now i have this crap on my arms! I have not had it in 25 years at least. This is what happens when you don't pay attention. It's been in the upper 90s and i always just wear some shorts and short sleeves no protection at all and work early in the am.

Anyway i am wondering what everyone wears when they are working with brush, bush hogging, weed eating fence lines etc as blue jeans are just to damn hot.

My wife says to wear Synthetic Utility Pants and long sleeve shirts that are SPF and are quick-drying, i just wonder if poison ivy oils can get through this type of clothing.

When i bush hog weeds and other bad things manage to rub my legs it's not just poison ivy it's also ticks and thorn bushes to deal with.
I put brake clean on the poison ivy as soon as I notice it.

I think this will work.
GOOP Orange Heavy Duty Ruff Towels with Scrubbing Power, 10” x 12” Dual Textured Multi-Purpose Cleaning Wipes, Removes Dirt, Grease, Oil, 72 CountGOOP Orange Heavy Duty Ruff Towels with Scrubbing Power, 10” x 12” Dual Textured Multi-Purpose Cleaning Wipes, Removes Dirt, Grease, Oil, 72 Count

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Really liked Youbet's posting (#18)!

I have been avoiding brush-cutting for the last two summers, ever since i contracted Babesiosis. This is yet another tick-borne disease and presumed to be at least as common as Lyme disease. Very similar epidemiology, but the medical establishment has not caught up to it yet - the diagnostic testing is not as developed as it is for Lyme... I went through 2 months of lethargy and weakness before I started peeing coffee-colored urine. [That's hemoglobin residue from destroyed red blood cells!] It's easier to treat than Lyme, but the diagnosis is frequently missed by the medical establishment because they typically only test for Lyme. It was only after I ended up in the ER that it was diagnosed! The prescribed treatment (antibiotic and antiparasitic) provides a complete cure.

[For you cattlemen, this disease is the same as Texas Cattle Fever in cattle!]

Seems that, in 1994, the US Army studied the effects of permethrin-impregnated BDUs on the health of soldiers. I found this paper at the NIH website:

Summary - Health Effects of Permethrin-Impregnated Army Battle-Dress Uniforms - NCBI Bookshelf

They considered dermal exposure only. They looked at both acute and chronic toxicity. They looked at dermal, ocular, neural, liver, immune, gene, reproductive, and developmental toxicity. They also looked at carcinogenicity.

Here are the conclusions:
"The subcommittee analyzed the risk of adverse health effects to soldiers who wear permethrin-impregnated BDUs and the risk to garment workers who handle permethrin-treated fabric. Based on the review of the toxicity data on permethrin, the subcommittee concludes that soldiers who wear permethrin-impregnated BDUs are unlikely to experience adverse health effects at the suggested permethrin exposure levels (fabric impregnation concentration of 0.125 mg/cm2). The risk of adverse health effects in garment workers who handle permethrin-impregnated fabric is even smaller because their exposure to permethrin is estimated to be less than that of soldiers.

Permethrin-impregnated BDUs are effective in preventing insect-borne diseases in military personnel in insect-infested field areas. The most beneficial use of permethrin-impregnated BDUs will be in overseas field settings, where exposure to disease-bearing insects is substantial. The risk of vector-borne disease in the United States is considerably less but not zero. Military personnel wearing permethrin-impregnated BDUs in field operations in the United States will benefit from protection from tick and mosquito bites, which, in turn, will protect them from endemic diseases, such as Lyme disease, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, and viral encephalitis. They will also be protected from other routine insect bites that often become infected and require medical treatment.

The subcommittee notes that in situations where soldiers are in protected environments, such as offices, where insect contact is remote, there is no tangible benefit from wearing impregnated BDUs."


My personal conclusion is that the toxicity is NOTHING compared to a tick-borne disease!

I did some calculations and if a 36.8% solution of permethrin concentrate is mixed 2 oz/gallon of water, using the Army's 0.125 mg/cm2 'dose', then about 10 square yards of clothing can be treated with a quart of diluted solution. I figure a T-shirt or a pair of pants is about 1 square yard...

Looks like Youbet was diluting the concentrate 1.7 oz/gallon. I'm going to go with 2 oz/gallon, because that's easier to measure - it's an even Tablespoon per quart spray bottle filled with water.

Thanks a million, Youbet, for bringing this to my notice!!!

Now, I can go finish the brush removal on my property. I only have about an acre left to do on my 12-acres.

-Paul, DVM, retired


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