Hour meter/tach problem

BlueRidgeRunner

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I have a problem with a BX 2360 that I purchased in the fall. The BX 2360 has an LCD hour meter/ tachometer that shows the hours when you turn on the ignition and displays the rpms when running. The hours display all of the time and does not switch to the Tach when running. Also, the hours do not change when running.

I found this page and posted the problem in the fall. Several knowledgeable replied that the hour meter is driven by an algorithm from rpms shown on the tach. One suggested that I pull the wiring connectors on the display as well as the alternator. I was able to do this on the alternator and it looked OK. My problem is getting to the LCD display. I need to remove the instrument cluster to access the display, does this require removing the steering wheel? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

My backup plan is to replace the hour meter/tach but I have a suspicion that the problem lies in the wiring between the alternator and display. The display obviously works but it seems to me that the problem is that the display is not getting the info it needs. Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance for any info/suggestions.
 

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Yes, the alternator sends a signal to the dash for RPMs and hour meter operation.
The panel snaps into the dash, so there is no reason to remove the steering wheel.
 

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yes, sure sounds like the alternator is NOT sending the pulses to the cluster. If you have a DMM with 'tach' option, probe the 'tach' wire from the alternator.
 

BlueRidgeRunner

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Yes, the alternator sends a signal to the dash for RPMs and hour meter operation.
The panel snaps into the dash, so there is no reason to remove the steering wheel.
yes, sure sounds like the alternator is NOT sending the pulses to the cluster. If you have a DMM with 'tach' option, probe the 'tach' wire from the alternator.
 

BlueRidgeRunner

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Thanks for the info. Don't think my multimeter measures RPM. Maybe I can borrow one from an auto parts store. Guess I need to find a wiring diagram to see which wire connects to the tach.
 

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Unless you are a VERY gifted electronics repair technician, there aren't any serviceable parts inside the
instrument cluster other than some incandescent bulbs for cluster illumination & warning lights.
The BX 2360 instrument clusters are obsolete, and have been replaced with newer part numbers.
I guess it is remotely possible you may stumble on a cracked solder joint or corroded connection,
but generally speaking, if the signal from the alternator is reaching the instrument cluster,
then the instrument cluster will require replacement.

As far as replacing only the hour meter/tachometer (if that is your problem) there are no parts anywhere.

I recently bought a used BX 2370, and noticed on my pre-purchase inspection that the hour meter DID operate correctly, and the tachometer DID NOT operate at all. The signal from the alternator obviously was reaching the instrument cluster as the hour meter operated, and the signal from the alternator splits
inside the cluster and does it's thing for the tachometer/hour meter.

In my case, I had to assist the selling dealer with diagnostics, as they didn't understand the correct operation of the entire system. They tried bolting on a new alternator, and replaced the battery.
When I printed out the wiring schematic and visited with the Service Manager and showed him on the schematic where the signal wire (from the alternator) splits inside the cluster, and each "leg" of that circuit goes to the tachometer and hour meter, he reluctantly agreed that the BX 2370 needed a new instrument cluster.
There are new part numbers for new replacement instrument clusters direct from Kubota.
A new cluster will cost you about $700 for the part, excluding labor. (if it's repaired at a dealership)
Tell them there is a TSB (technical service bulletin) from Kubota with part numbers and repair procedures. The replacement clusters ARE tractor model specific.
BX 1860 takes one part number, BX 2360 & BX 25 take another part number, and BX 2660 uses another besides.
Visually, the replacement instrument clusters are strikingly visually different from the original.
No more little LCD display for hours/tachometer.

The replacement clusters are at zero hours when they arrive.

For your machine, you need to measure that frequency/tach signal wire coming from the alternator at the plug on the back side of the cluster. If you have the signal there, you need a new instrument cluster.
Tractors stored outside in the weather get rain/melted snow inside the cluster and then they die.

I don't know the storage conditions for my BX 2370 before it was traded in, but my educated guess is
that it was stored outside, perhaps partly under cover.
(mower deck rust, but paint is not faded to Kubota pink)
I do know it sat outside at the selling dealership from about June 2024 until I bought it
in late February 2025. My salesman told me that the dealership service department charged the sales department retail labor rates for used machines service and repairs, and that the dealership parts department charged retail prices for the parts for repairs for used equipment.

I had added a note on the sales contract that the tachometer would be repaired before I received delivery of the used BX 2370, before signing the sales contract. They called and asked me if they could knock off a couple hundred dollars on the price and deliver the tractor with the tachometer inoperative.
I told them replace the instrument cluster, or tear up the sales contract.
This was from doing some prior investigating on the cost of the new cluster and replacement labor.

Ultimately they did replace the instrument cluster, the tachometer and hour meter work fine now.
I store the machine inside and out of the weather. When the machine mows grass in dry dusty conditions I will actually wash the dust & dirt off the machine occasionally, and I take great care keeping water away from the instrument cluster. In my non professional opinion, water intrusion inside Kubota instrument clusters is the biggest/largest contributor to premature instrument cluster failures.

I don't think the selling dealer made much money on selling me the used BX 2370 because the dealership had to eat the cost of the cluster replacement and labor.

After the machine got several months of repairs/upgrades/modifications work at my shop at my home and it proved to be the low hour reliable machine that I hoped it would be, I drove back up to the selling dealership and gave the salesman a $50 gift card, I was fairly certain his commission check needed a bit of padding.
 
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If I could not find the problem and fix it, and replacing it would be as expensive as indicated above, I would do without the tachometer and find a 12 V hour meter and install that.

This is based on my experience of over 20 years with my BX 2200. No tachometer on the BX 2200 and it’s never been a problem for me. I have about 1600 hours on it now if I remember right, maybe a little more…
 
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BlueRidgeRunner

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Unless you are a VERY gifted electronics repair technician, there aren't any serviceable parts inside the
instrument cluster other than some incandescent bulbs for cluster illumination & warning lights.
The BX 2360 instrument clusters are obsolete, and have been replaced with newer part numbers.
I guess it is remotely possible you may stumble on a cracked solder joint or corroded connection,
but generally speaking, if the signal from the alternator is reaching the instrument cluster,
then the instrument cluster will require replacement.

As far as replacing only the hour meter/tachometer (if that is your problem) there are no parts anywhere.

I recently bought a used BX 2370, and noticed on my pre-purchase inspection that the hour meter DID operate correctly, and the tachometer DID NOT operate at all. The signal from the alternator obviously was reaching the instrument cluster as the hour meter operated, and the signal from the alternator splits
inside the cluster and does it's thing for the tachometer/hour meter.

In my case, I had to assist the selling dealer with diagnostics, as they didn't understand the correct operation of the entire system. They tried bolting on a new alternator, and replaced the battery.
When I printed out the wiring schematic and visited with the Service Manager and showed him on the schematic where the signal wire (from the alternator) splits inside the cluster, and each "leg" of that circuit goes to the tachometer and hour meter, he reluctantly agreed that the BX 2370 needed a new instrument cluster.
There are new part numbers for new replacement instrument clusters direct from Kubota.
A new cluster will cost you about $700 for the part, excluding labor. (if it's repaired at a dealership)
Tell them there is a TSB (technical service bulletin) from Kubota with part numbers and repair procedures. The replacement clusters ARE tractor model specific.
BX 1860 takes one part number, BX 2360 & BX 25 take another part number, and BX 2660 uses another besides.
Visually, the replacement instrument clusters are strikingly visually different from the original.
No more little LCD display for hours/tachometer.

The replacement clusters are at zero hours when they arrive.

For your machine, you need to measure that frequency/tach signal wire coming from the alternator at the plug on the back side of the cluster. If you have the signal there, you need a new instrument cluster.
Tractors stored outside in the weather get rain/melted snow inside the cluster and then they die.

I don't know the storage conditions for my BX 2370 before it was traded in, but my educated guess is
that it was stored outside, perhaps partly under cover.
(mower deck rust, but paint is not faded to Kubota pink)
I do know it sat outside at the selling dealership from about June 2024 until I bought it
in late February 2025. My salesman told me that the dealership service department charged the sales department retail labor rates for used machines service and repairs, and that the dealership parts department charged retail prices for the parts for repairs for used equipment.

I had added a note on the sales contract that the tachometer would be repaired before I received delivery of the used BX 2370, before signing the sales contract. They called and asked me if they could knock off a couple hundred dollars on the price and deliver the tractor with the tachometer inoperative.
I told them replace the instrument cluster, or tear up the sales contract.
This was from doing some prior investigating on the cost of the new cluster and replacement labor.

Ultimately they did replace the instrument cluster, the tachometer and hour meter work fine now.
I store the machine inside and out of the weather. When the machine mows grass in dry dusty conditions I will actually wash the dust & dirt off the machine occasionally, and I take great care keeping water away from the instrument cluster. In my non professional opinion, water intrusion inside Kubota instrument clusters is the biggest/largest contributor to premature instrument cluster failures.

I don't think the selling dealer made much money on selling me the used BX 2370 because the dealership had to eat the cost of the cluster replacement and labor.

After the machine got several months of repairs/upgrades/modifications work at my shop at my home and it proved to be the low hour reliable machine that I hoped it would be, I drove back up to the selling dealership and gave the salesman a $50 gift card, I was fairly certain his commission check needed a bit of padding.
 

BlueRidgeRunner

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Ugh, not what I was hoping to hear but thanks for detailed description of the problem. My hour meter displays but does not change with use, sounds like yours does. Going to go through diagnostics but I think I have the same problem. Obviously a widespread problem if they replaced the whole instrument panel. Thanks for the information.
 

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'Tach' is the same as Frequency. Most meters these days have a frequency selection.
'close but no cigar'
Tach is usually 'RPM' a number of Revolutions per Minute, wheras 'Frequency' is the number of transitions or 'cycles per second'. Some DMM will have FREQ , but to have 'TACH' they also have to have number of cylinders switch as well as 2S or 4 stroke switch and a 'divider' switch. The last one deals with # of pahse the input source has ( alternators have 3 ). Good news is a 'Freq' setting on a DMM wil show IF the sensor is generating a signal but it won't be correct.
 

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'close but no cigar'
Tach is usually 'RPM' a number of Revolutions per Minute, wheras 'Frequency' is the number of transitions or 'cycles per second'. Some DMM will have FREQ , but to have 'TACH' they also have to have number of cylinders switch as well as 2S or 4 stroke switch and a 'divider' switch. The last one deals with # of pahse the input source has ( alternators have 3 ). Good news is a 'Freq' setting on a DMM wil show IF the sensor is generating a signal but it won't be correct.
You only need to know the number of pulses to expect for each revolution. A 4 cylinder 4 stroke gas engine will generate either 2 or four per revolution, (depending if it is wasted spark) If it uses a hall effect sensor on the flywheel, you'll get one per revolution(or more depending). Or any combination of numbers, you just need to know WHAT to expect. Generally it is pretty easy to figure out what is an approximate RPM and then look at the frequency to determine what multipler to use and then get the actual exact rpm. Frequency (cycles per second is 60 times less than cycles per minute. Basic math. I use a DMM often if there is something to base it on.
A single cylinder engine at 6,000 rpm is a frequency of 100. Assuming it is gas and a wasted spark (most are these days). You can usually clip one lead to ground and hold the other close to the spark plug to get a reading.
A hall effect sensor at the flywheel, assuming a single tooth on the reluctor, is the same. Though many engines will use multiple teeth to improve accuracy though one or more may be larger and closer to create a stronger signal but... it is just a pulse, weak or strong, just do the math.
I assume the alternator has a hall effect sensor in it that is used on tractors to determine RPM. It can get tricky if there is not a one to one ratio of pulley diameters (and therefor revolutions)
 

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Ugh, not what I was hoping to hear but thanks for detailed description of the problem. My hour meter displays but does not change with use, sounds like yours does. Going to go through diagnostics but I think I have the same problem. Obviously a widespread problem if they replaced the whole instrument panel. Thanks for the information.
Hour meter, no change, tach, 0 rpm? While the faulty 'might be' in the cluster, do not assume. It could be just a bad connection or wire to the back of the cluster or to the alternator. Put a DMM on the wire at the cluster and see if you get a signal when running.No signal? Then do the same at the alternator. Signal? bad wire or connector. No signal at the alternator, bad alternator (easy to fix if you can do electronics, other wise new alternator)
Signal at the back of the cluster, yeah, bad cluster.There are some companies that can repair these but it can get pricey.
 

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no Hall sensor, just 1/2wave DC signal from alternator. All the 'signal conditioning' is done in the 'dash computer'. 'They' obviously know the pulley ratio and program the computer as required.