Breaking causes Tractor to stop

[ve9aa]

That's great to hear! Yes I am excited to learn to operate, rebuild, repair and update this as much as possible. I'm starting from square one but have a some family, friends, YouTube, the user manual and this forum now too - so not too worried about getting answers. I just have to ask the right questions

Excellent. Well at least now you know you can't stop it in gear and expect the engine to keep running ;-)

(I thought that was soooo funny yesterday, but in a good way you understand. We all started somewhere.)

Welcome to the forum and tractor ownership. A great bunch of guys here(+ a couple grumpy ones). As long as you ask reasonable questions, they are more than willing to help out a new guy)

 

[liam.hanninen]

Excellent. Well at least now you know you can't stop it in gear and expect the engine to keep running ;-)

(I thought that was soooo funny yesterday, but in a good way you understand. We all started somewhere.)

Welcome to the forum and tractor ownership. A great bunch of guys here(+ a couple grumpy ones). As long as you ask reasonable questions, they are more than willing to help out a new guy)

Thanks! I do hope to entertain when I can. Been blown away by the engagement, insight and experience from this crew.

 

[fried1765]

The more I read this thread, the more I believe you need to sell that model and get an HST model.
HST model is a hydrostatic transmission, acts similar to an automatic transmission in a car.
Simply put, push the pedal and you go, let off pedal and you stop!
Much simpler than a geared transmission.

ABSOLUTELY AGREE !!!!
A standard transmission tractor is clearly a safety issue for the OP!

 

[D2Cat]

I'd suggest you not go down any slopped area until you understand the functions of the tractor, especially how to shift, when to shift, how to shut the fuel off and how to use the loader controls. Keep your loader bucket only a few inched off the ground. You can lower the bucket while the tractor is moving, and as you do putting it on the ground will help slow or stop the tractor. Have the tip of the bucket up just a bit so it doesn't gouge into the ground and throw you into the steering wheel!!!!

Not to be negative, but with your knowledge and this tractor you need to be patient or you are an accident waiting to happen.

 

[Bmyers]

That's great to hear! Yes I am excited to learn to operate, rebuild, repair and update this as much as possible. I'm starting from square one but have a some family, friends, YouTube, the user manual and this forum now too - so not too worried about getting answers. I just have to ask the right questions

That is the challenge, asking the right question. Keep up the optimize and the learning and before long you will be helping us with issues.

 

[Biker1mike]

Safety point.
These older tractors have no safety switches other than the clutch needs to be depressed to start. If the motor is running and the tractor is in gear it will travel with or without you being in the seat. Same with the PTO. Never ever get near a running PTO.
These tractors are pretty much bullet proof and it takes a lot to damage them.

 

[Henro]

I can't contribute to the thread except ask a simple question.

WHY in the world would a tractor be designed so the engine cuts out if you touch the brakes?

What is the logic behind this? I think if it were my tractor I would disable that feature...would disabling it be a serious safety infraction? Why?

 

[Bmyers]

I can't contribute to the thread except ask a simple question.

WHY in the world would a tractor be designed so the engine cuts out if you touch the brakes?

What is the logic behind this? I think if it were my tractor I would disable that feature...would disabling it be a serious safety infraction? Why?

My guess, low rpms on the tractor, the OP was not using the clutch, and he killed the engine. I don't believe there is a 'safety switch' hooked to the brakes to kill the engine.

 

[Henro]

My guess, low rpms on the tractor, the OP was not using the clutch, and he killed the engine. I don't believe there is a 'safety switch' hooked to the brakes to kill the engine.

That very well could be true. But I remember someone or maybe a couple people stating that there was an interlock with the brake pedal that would kill the engine if the clutch was not depressed.

I may have misunderstood...

 

[ve9aa]

I can't contribute to the thread except ask a simple question.

WHY in the world would a tractor be designed so the engine cuts out if you touch the brakes?

What is the logic behind this? I think if it were my tractor I would disable that feature...would disabling it be a serious safety infraction? Why?

I hope this is some kind of a strange joke question Henro. Most everyone knows that a standard transmission vehicle cannot:

Be in gear with engine running & also stopped/motionless

w/o at least 1 of 2 these things occurring:

transmission put into neutral or clutched depressed.

(optional: brake applied)

It's only common sense. Why would you even ask this? It's obvious the OP is new and you're not helping.

 

[Henro]

I hope this is some kind of a strange joke question Henro. Most everyone knows that a standard transmission vehicle cannot:

No joke. Serious question. Through the entire thread I kept wondering why a tractor would have an interlock that killed the engine if the brake pedal was pushed.

In my mind I remember some here stating for that tractor model this was the case. Made no sense to me...

 

[ve9aa]

No joke. Serious question. Through the entire thread I kept wondering why a tractor would have an interlock that killed the engine if the brake pedal was pushed.

In my mind I remember some here stating for that tractor model this was the case. Made no sense to me...

Fair enough. I'll believe you.

The OP is new and likely never drove a standard transmission before, so he was not aware that he had
to either put it in neutral or press in the clutch pedal (unless you are trying to stall the engine) and have the tractor at a standstill (ie: not moving forwards or backwards).

I eluded to this early on, in post #3 of this thread (an hour after this OP's initial post) but stopped short of calling him out or making fun. (though it was pretty obvious ). I admit, I did chuckle to myself and pretty much knew what it was instantly ! Everyone is new once, so good on the OP for trying new things. I bet he won't stall it much now that he knows.

 

[Henro]

For example:

OP asks: "So just so I understand: if I'm going forward and want to stop I have to depress the clutch THEN break?"

BigO replies: YES

But having driven stick cars many years, I NEVER had to worry about touching the brake when moving, other than stalling out the engine if I locked up the drive system...

So I suppose the YES should have been qualified with something like "otherwise you may lock up the drive system and stall the engine"...

I think other following posts might have also be unclear. Remember those of us who have HST tractors may have little knowledge of gear tractors.

Considering the OP needs help understanding the answers to his questions, maybe my simplistic question might help him.

 

[ve9aa]

For example:

OP asks: "So just so I understand: if I'm going forward and want to stop I have to depress the clutch THEN break?"

BigO replies: YES

But having driven stick cars many years, I NEVER had to worry about touching the brake when moving, other than stalling out the engine if I locked up the drive system...

So I suppose the YES should have been qualified with something like "otherwise you may lock up the drive system and stall the engine"...

I think other following posts might have also be unclear. Remember those of us who have HST tractors may have little knowledge of gear tractors.

Considering the OP needs help understanding the answers to his questions, maybe my simplistic question might help him.

Everyone is different. In North America especially, it's hard to find a standard transmission car these days, so depending on what age you are, you may have never even SEEN a standard transmission car, let alone drive one.
Even motorcycles are starting to go "automatic' or DCT's (though we're fairly early on with ;bikes)

Scooters and many many other vehicles are "automatics" ...ie: twist and go, or press a pedal and go; whatever.

He just didn't know. that's all. I have no idea why you'd think it was something to do with interlocks and brakes but then again, it matters not.

LEt's help the OP learn and not introduce crazy ideas.

what lesson are we on now - - #3?

 

[fried1765]

Yup!
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I'd suggest you not go down any slopped area until you understand the functions of the tractor, especially how to shift, when to shift, how to shut the fuel off and how to use the loader controls. Keep your loader bucket only a few inched off the ground. You can lower the bucket while the tractor is moving, and as you do putting it on the ground will help slow or stop the tractor. Have the tip of the bucket up just a bit so it doesn't gouge into the ground and throw you into the steering wheel!!!!

Not to be negative, but with your knowledge and this tractor you need to be patient or you are an accident waiting to happen.

Precisely true!
"An accident waiting to happen"
Hundreds of much more tractor savvy folks have been killed on/by tractors!

 

[GreensvilleJay]

At one time, Alberta had TWO car driving licenses, standard or automatic. If they caught you driving 'stick shift' with an 'auto' licenses they could fine you.....

 

[ve9aa]

As an aside; talking about safety and muscle memory. 3 of our 4 vehicles are standards. (2 cars and a bike) while my wifes car is an auto. Every time I drive it (maybe once every month or two) I get in and press hard onto a blank spot on the floor looking for the clutch. I think this happens virtually every time, even after 30 yrs (she's always owned autos; me always standards).

 

[Henro]

He just didn't know. that's all. I have no idea why you'd think it was something to do with interlocks and brakes but then again, it matters not.

LEt's help the OP learn and not introduce crazy ideas.

I sort of resent that insinuation.

For example, who would have ever thought a tractor would shut down if you shifted a bit in your seat? But they do...sweaty from working, pants are sticking to your butt, you raise you butt to shake them free, and tractor shuts off. Only an issue if you work enough to get sweaty pants...LOL.

We all need to get real and realize that strange interlocks are actually incorporated into tractor design. If we answer a question by someone new to tractors, we should assume that we need to explain the why, and not just say "yes" if someone asks if the tractor engine will turn off if the brake is touched.

I understand that the "yes" answer was not intentionally misleading, but it could be misleading never the less. I am pretty sure others in later posts indicated the same thing. Almost made me a believer but it made no sense, and that is why I asked the question.

I asked not to mislead or introduce a crazy idea that could confuse the OP, but rather to see how such a thing could make sense...which it didn't to me, and obviously does not to others here.

 

[liam.hanninen]

For example:

OP asks: "So just so I understand: if I'm going forward and want to stop I have to depress the clutch THEN break?"

BigO replies: YES

But having driven stick cars many years, I NEVER had to worry about touching the brake when moving, other than stalling out the engine if I locked up the drive system...

So I suppose the YES should have been qualified with something like "otherwise you may lock up the drive system and stall the engine"...

I think other following posts might have also be unclear. Remember those of us who have HST tractors may have little knowledge of gear tractors.

Considering the OP needs help understanding the answers to his questions, maybe my simplistic question might help him.

Thanks the 'why' is always important

 

[lynnmor]

In a car the operator controls the throttle, on a tractor the operator sets the governed engine speed. When using the tractor brakes the governor will go full throttle if necessary to maintain its set speed, thus the safety switch.