Kubota Electric Tractor Survey

[SDT]

The same could be said for horse and buggies. Times change.

Absolutely not true.

SDT

 

[jyoutz]

Although it is available parts of most states, NG is not available in rural areas. In the Northeast the majority of rural homes are heated with fuel oil, and many are converting to propane, but NG is not available. NG requires pipelines.

My point is that most people respond to issues from their own frame of reference. If you have never lived in a city then you don't understand the way city people think because you have never experienced it. The same is true for city people who have never lived on a farm or other rural environment.

Absolutely, NG for residential use is scarce in rural areas. I have lived in rural areas for the past 50 years. But mainline gas pipelines are found in every state and power plants typically put up the investment to run the lines to the plant. Or build plants near the pipelines. Just like coal plants do with railroads.

 

[Deleted member 47704]

If the coal is gone in ten years, what will Santa put in the bad kids' stockings ???

Depleted nuclear waste.

 

[chevca]

I'll pass on a electric tractor, my problem is that I just can't see how to justify the financial risk of something that expensive when it most likely has an end of life similar to a cell phone or something. It's one thing to toss a phone, but an entire tractor is just too much and add in how it could just up and die without any warning.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

BIG problem with battery powered devices, and tractors WILL be included, is the nasty ability of the OEM to require THEIR battery pack to replace the dead one. 'They' started that BS with inkjet carts that have a 'chip' in them, forcing 99.44% of people to buy $$$$ ink carts from the OEMs, Course some objected to this and we figured a way to fool the printer into believing the nonOEM cart was 'OK'. Similar tech used to have a smoggy car pass the SMOG test.... as the 'computer' gives near perfect readings while belching smoke out the tailpipe.

 

[Freeheeler]

Depleted nuclear waste.

I'd rather have that than the tofu
I grew up in Oak Ridge, TN. I only have 10 fingers and 10 toes so all's good.

 

[jyoutz]

It won’t be gone, but the mining industry will be very minimal; mostly for uses other than thermal electrical generation. With old plants closing and no new ones being developed, large scale thermal coal mining will be limited. Most coal plants in the US are 30+ years old, and General Electric corporation has made a statement that they won’t be involved with building any more. They designed and built most of the aging plants in the US.

Depleted nuclear waste.

 

[SDT]

It won’t be gone, but the mining industry will be very minimal; mostly for uses other than thermal electrical generation. With old plants closing and no new ones being developed, large scale thermal coal mining will be limited. Most coal plants in the US are 30+ years old, and General Electric corporation has made a statement that they won’t be involved with building any more. They designed and built most of the aging plants in the US.

Not to worry. China will buy our coal.

SDT

 

[Deleted member 47704]

I'd rather have that than the tofu
I grew up in Oak Ridge, TN. I only have 10 fingers and 10 toes so all's good.

yeah but are the fingers on your hand? and the toes on yur feet?

 

[jyoutz]

It won’t be gone, but the mining industry will be very minimal; mostly for uses other than thermal electrical generation. With old plants closing and no new ones being developed, large scale thermal coal mining will be limited. Most coal plants in the US are 30+ years old, and General Electric corporation has made a statement that they won’t be involved with building any more. They designed and built most of the aging plants in the US

Depleted nuclear waste.

Not to worry. China will buy our coal.

SDT

The economics will collapse for mining coal just for China. And even if they continue buying, the overall mining production will be only a fraction of the current production. That’s why it’s easy to see that big coal has only about a decade remaining in the US.

 

[SDT]

It won’t be gone, but the mining industry will be very minimal; mostly for uses other than thermal electrical generation. With old plants closing and no new ones being developed, large scale thermal coal mining will be limited. Most coal plants in the US are 30+ years old, and General Electric corporation has made a statement that they won’t be involved with building any more. They designed and built most of the aging plants in the US



The economics will collapse for mining coal just for China. And even if they continue buying, the overall mining production will be only a fraction of the current production. That’s why it’s easy to see that big coal has only about a decade remaining in the US.

I need a crystal ball like yours.

Where did you get it?

SDT

 

[Elliott in GA]

FWIW, the world's population will most likely peak at the end of this century at around 10 billion, and then it is predicted to slowly recede over time. The primary driver of the expected peak and slow decline is the industrialization and related increase in per capita wealth of the third world. As nations develop and become wealthy, their citizens have smaller families - no need for family workers on the family plot of land or small business.

It is probable that coal will play an important part in generating the power required for this transformation.

Remember, the US does not have lots of energy capacity because it is wealthy; it is wealthy because it has lots of energy capacity.

Coal & electricity - FutureCoal

www.worldcoal.org

 

[jyoutz]

I need a crystal ball like yours.

Where did you get it?

SDT

No crystal ball needed. Old coal plants closing; none being built or planned in US and also happening in other countries. Doesn’t take much to see where things are going. Also coal has now become more expensive than other sources for electrical generation

 

[SDT]

FWIW, the world's population will most likely peak at the end of this century at around 10 billion, and then it is predicted to slowly recede over time. The primary driver of the expected peak and slow decline is the industrialization and related increase in per capita wealth of the third world. As nations develop and become wealthy, their citizens have smaller families - no need for family workers on the family plot of land or small business.

It is probable that coal will play an important part in generating the power required for this transformation.

Remember, the US does not have lots of energy capacity because it is wealthy; it is wealthy because it has lots of energy capacity.

Coal & electricity - FutureCoal

www.worldcoal.org

Well said.

SDT

 

[SDT]

No crystal ball needed. Old coal plants closing; none being built or planned in US and also happening in other countries. Doesn’t take much to see where things are going. Also coal has now become more expensive than other sources for electrical generation

How many coal plants are being built in China, India, etc?

Still need a crystal ball like yours to be able to make such grandiose predictions as you have.

Where can I get one?

SDT

 

[Deleted member 47704]

I need a crystal ball like yours.

Where did you get it?

SDT

yeah.

Nothing is written in stone, things change. This knee jerk reaction and the fact it hasn't become an issue until recently doesn't help its cause. Who knows, in a couple years carbon capture will take over and the latest fad will be regulating belly button lint.

 

[jyoutz]

yeah.

Nothing is written in stone, things change. This knee jerk reaction and the fact it hasn't become an issue until recently doesn't help its cause. Who knows, in a couple years carbon capture will take over and the latest fad will be regulating belly button lint.

How many coal plants are being built in China, India, etc?

Still need a crystal ball like yours to be able to make such grandiose predictions as you have.

Where can I get one?

SDT

Just think back to your elementary school math class: the number of power plants in the US is decreasing and no new ones being built. The percentage of energy produced by coal in the US has dropped from over 35% in the 1990s to around 15% today, and the trend line continues. Simple math, not a crystal ball. China and India aren’t going to keep US mines operating. That bulky product is extremely expensive to ship to the other side of the world. China is now a world leader in solar panel and other alternative energy production products. China is also developing and building natural gas pipelines.

 

[jyoutz]

yeah.

Nothing is written in stone, things change. This knee jerk reaction and the fact it hasn't become an issue until recently doesn't help its cause. Who knows, in a couple years carbon capture will take over and the latest fad will be regulating belly button lint.

It isn’t a fad for power companies to want to save money. Natural gas is so much cheaper than coal as a fuel, and it’s very abundant in North America.

 

[SDT]

Just think back to your elementary school math class: the number of power plants in the US is decreasing and no new ones being built. The percentage of energy produced by coal in the US has dropped from over 35% in the 1990s to around 15% today, and the trend line continues. Simple math, not a crystal ball. China and India aren’t going to keep US mines operating. That bulky product is extremely expensive to ship to the other side of the world. China is now a world leader in solar panel and other alternative energy production products. China is also developing and building natural gas pipelines.

Again, how many coal fired generation plants are currently being built or are planned in China, India, etc?

Post back in 10 years and tell us how things are going.

SDT

 

[jyoutz]

Again, how many coal fired generation plants are currently being built or are planned in China, India, etc?

Post back in 10 years and tell us how things are going.

SDT

You think that it’s economical to ship a bulky heavy product around the world, or will those countries import from Australia or elsewhere in Asia? Asia does have significant coal resources of its own. It seems like exports from the far away North America is a short term situation.