Stock up on fuel

[johnjk]

Read an article this morning where the current administration is looking to shut down another major oil pipeline in to the US to “Help curb our appetite “ for cheap energy. Just as winter starts. Probably will be Trumps fault when people cannot afford to heat their homes or drive to town for food and Dr appointments.

 

[sheepfarmer]

The Michigan pipeline is more complicated than that. It has been fought over to be shut down TEMPORARILY for some time until Enbridge can get around to replacing it. It is in bad shape and likely to leak into the Great Lakes. It runs through Lake Superior to Canada and was caught by a boat anchor a few years ago. Same company had a line through Michigan leak and spill a massive amount of oil into one of our rivers. Their record on line management and spill cleanup is not the greatest. There is a lot of ads floating around about propane for the UP being affected, and I am not sure about the link between that and what this line carries.

 

[johnjk]

The Michigan pipeline is more complicated than that. It has been fought over to be shut down TEMPORARILY for some time until Enbridge can get around to replacing it. It is in bad shape and likely to leak into the Great Lakes. It runs through Lake Superior to Canada and was caught by a boat anchor a few years ago. Same company had a line through Michigan leak and spill a massive amount of oil into one of our rivers. Their record on line management and spill cleanup is not the greatest. There is a lot of ads floating around about propane for the UP being affected, and I am not sure about the link between that and what this line carries.

So if it is so critical why not run another line in parallel so it is up before the old is removed? Oh wait, new environmental permits and that would not get approved.

 

[D2Cat]

So if it is so critical why not run another line in parallel so it is up before the old is removed? Oh wait, new environmental permits and that would not get approved.

Oh, but John where would the money for that come from. That's not the definition of infrastructure. Modern infrastructure is giving funds to drive elec vehicles, and paying companies who own newspapers ....

 

[mcfarmall]

First off, a correction. Line 5 runs across the Straits of Mackinac not across Lake Superior. Enbridge proposes a bored, concrete lined tunnel similar the "The Chunnel" which will house a new pipeline and act as a conduit for fiber optic and anything else that might fit in there. It will be easily monitored, contain any leaks, and be well below the lakebed to avoid anchor strikes. This is a win-win for the environment and commerce and the people of Michigan. Unfortunately our wonderful Governor has a one-track mind bent on killing all use of fossil fuels regardless of the impact.

No, I'm not an Enbridge employee, I'm a Michigan citizen that believes a tunnel is the best solution for all parties involved.

 

[Bmyers]

I will just heat my house with some of that magic electrical stuff that is going to run everything from my tv to my lawn mower to my truck. Who needs pipelines, we can just get the electric out of the sky...............

If life was just that simple..............

 

[SteveBX23]

I will just heat my house with some of that magic electrical stuff that is going to run everything from my tv to my lawn mower to my truck. Who needs pipelines, we can just get the electric out of the sky...............

If life was just that simple..............

Folks with those electric vehicles must think they charge on air! Government has the “green energy” society very fooled

 

[Bmyers]

Folks with those electric vehicles must think they charge on air! Government has the “green energy” society very fooled

I think the sad part is reflection on our education system. It appears many people don't understand how electricity is produced and even so called 'green' electric takes lots of fossil fuels to make and operate.

In addition, the fact that many of our industries have worked over the years to make their processes cleaner and more environmentally friendly. Is there still room for improvement, sure. Yet, it doesn't mean you toss out the whole system when you consider the benefits.

 

[DaveFromMi]

It's not about green energy or climate change. It's never about what they say it's about.

 

[aaluck]

Where, oh where, do these folks think all this electricity comes from? Ive decided I'm checking out for the next three years. Whatever happens, happens. Nothing I (we) can do about it.

 

[mcfarmall]

I think the sad part is reflection on our education system. It appears many people don't understand how electricity is produced and even so called 'green' electric takes lots of fossil fuels to make and operate.

In addition, the fact that many of our industries have worked over the years to make their processes cleaner and more environmentally friendly. Is there still room for improvement, sure. Yet, it doesn't mean you toss out the whole system when you consider the benefits.

It all started when they took the racist Schoolhouse Rock cartoons off the air. The one about electricity is my favorite!

 

[Bmyers]

 

[aaluck]

In watching that video I had forgotten just how informative they actually were.

 

[Bmyers]

In watching that video I had forgotten just how informative they actually were.

They had a way of taking complex ideas/issues and simplifying them down to help kids get a basic understanding.

 

[johnjk]

Need to go cut more firewood.

 

[Tarmy]

And…gas is OVER 5 bucks a gallon in this damn state. At this rate, when the cycle that special “summer blend” in next spring…way over 6.

i wanna thank those folks that voted for this…ummm…never mind.

 

[Henro]

Everyone where I come from realizes this issue is due to the covid19 vaccination mandates. ..

 

[sheepfarmer]

First off, a correction. Line 5 runs across the Straits of Mackinac not across Lake Superior. Enbridge proposes a bored, concrete lined tunnel similar the "The Chunnel" which will house a new pipeline and act as a conduit for fiber optic and anything else that might fit in there. It will be easily monitored, contain any leaks, and be well below the lakebed to avoid anchor strikes. This is a win-win for the environment and commerce and the people of Michigan. Unfortunately our wonderful Governor has a one-track mind bent on killing all use of fossil fuels regardless of the impact.

No, I'm not an Enbridge employee, I'm a Michigan citizen that believes a tunnel is the best solution for all parties involved.

Thanks for geography correction, I was too lazy to look at a map. A tunnel unmistakably would be the best solution, and start digging now. But everyone is too busy sniping to go with practical solutions. I am not sure what the governor's motivations are in this case. Some people want it shut down asap simply because those lakes are a big part of Michigan's economy and to risk a major oil spill is foolish. They went to pressure Enbridge to act.

 

[Oo-v-oO]

Whereas I work with electrical things, I am therefore a disciple of Reddy Kilowatt.

 

[lugbolt]

I told you so.