Why No Seat Belt Interlock?

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There are a lot of reasons for that.


As for whether or not seat belts save lives, that question belongs solidly in the "flat earth society" column. The data is overwhelming. The sun rises in the east, the earth is a sphere, and seat belts save lots of lives.
No, you're wrong. The Earth IS flat. I lived right on the edge, pretty close to the town of Falling Off, when I was a kid. The maps ended just before you got to our place.

I'm probably a lot less serious about that than when I was a kid, but I was convinced science was wrong then.
 
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Ha Ha, I was going to like your post, but figured you would not know it was me...the OP.

But I would like to think I am not a troll but rather someone amazed by how as a society we seem obsessed with protecting ourselves from ourselves...and just observing/questioning.

But really, why not? They have set up lawn tractors so they cannot mow in reverse...and perhaps more than that for all I know.
We have "Do Not Eat" stickers on laundry detergent because? Someone did it.
We have HOT do not touch stickers on mufflers because? Someone did it.
Those kinds of stickers are now printed in multiple languages along with heiroglyphics. Why? You don't have to be able to read to sue a manufacturer that didn't tell you that whirling blades intended to chip wood will do the same to a human body.

BTW, the very reason for no seatbelt safety switch is explained in full in your owners/operators manual. It's very clear about seat belt use with the ROPS down. The reason for foldable ROPS is that there are times a tractor needs to go places it simply will not fit with the ROPS up, or the ROPS creates more danger than it prevents. When possible, ROPS is a great idea and the smart thing to do. Even if the tractor tips over, it stops on it's side and doesn't barrel roll. It's a Roll OVER Protection System, not a fall down protection system. Just be smart about the terrain you're operating on and the loading on the tractor. Then ROPS is just added assurance that you might survive the last thing you did wrong. You will be smarter the next time.

I'm a firm believer that Charles Darwin was a lot smarter than folks gave him credit for, but he was just too polite to say it the way Larry the Cable guy does. "You just can't fix STUPID". Bottom line, there is no personal culpability nor liability in today's litigious society. People now sue because their feelings get hurt. Guess which end of the food chain they're on ......
 
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We have "Do Not Eat" stickers on laundry detergent because? Someone did it.
We have HOT do not touch stickers on mufflers because? Someone did it.
Those kinds of stickers are now printed in multiple languages along with heiroglyphics. Why? You don't have to be able to read to sue a manufacturer that didn't tell you that whirling blades intended to chip wood will do the same to a human body.

BTW, the very reason for no seatbelt safety switch is explained in full in your owners/operators manual. It's very clear about seat belt use with the ROPS down. The reason for foldable ROPS is that there are times a tractor needs to go places it simply will not fit with the ROPS up, or the ROPS creates more danger than it prevents. When possible, ROPS is a great idea and the smart thing to do. Even if the tractor tips over, it stops on it's side and doesn't barrel roll. It's a Roll OVER Protection System, not a fall down protection system. Just be smart about the terrain you're operating on and the loading on the tractor. Then ROPS is just added assurance that you might survive the last thing you did wrong. You will be smarter the next time.

I'm a firm believer that Charles Darwin was a lot smarter than folks gave him credit for, but he was just too polite to say it the way Larry the Cable guy does. "You just can't fix STUPID". Bottom line, there is no personal culpability nor liability in today's litigious society. People now sue because their feelings get hurt. Guess which end of the food chain they're on ......
I think you see my point clearly but do not realize you are seeing my point...:ROFLMAO:
 

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There are more safety measures learned by word of mouth than by any stickers or worded warnings ever provided. Think about it, a kid puts her finger too close to a lit candle. She gets burned. Her siblings learned from that mistake and they tell their friends how stupid their sister was. Everybody laughs at how stupid the little girl was for getting too close to the flame. Lesson learned by all. No sticker or written warning required. :LOL:
 
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Ha Ha, I was going to like your post, but figured you would not know it was me...the OP.

But I would like to think I am not a troll but rather someone amazed by how as a society we seem obsessed with protecting ourselves from ourselves...and just observing/questioning.

But really, why not? They have set up lawn tractors so they cannot mow in reverse...and perhaps more than that for all I know.
I took your OP to be tongue-in-cheek.... but if anyone is taking it seriously.... the best reason not to have a seat-belt interlock system is in order to operate with the ROPs in the folded position.

While many of us “roll our eyes” at all the precautionary safety warnings on things these days.... That’s a short-sighted and silly thing to get upset about. The reason safety warnings are deemed necessary by mfr’s is because they’ve been SUED and LOST when they sold their stuff (without safety equpt/warnings) to the unwary and inexperienced.
At one time in history people learned to shoot before they were sold firearms, and medicines were only issued by doctors to people that needed them.

When mfr’s decided to sell to Anybody and Everybody that showed up with money.... and when they next decided to sell on Credit even to un-credit-worthy people who had Zero experience with such products.... it became necessary to regulate WHO was sold WHAT without some minimalist regulatory guidance. It makes sense. Would you be a responsible mfr’r/seller if you sold dangerous goods to unfamiliar users?

Remember: In a SMALL town a lawyer will go broke.

(But TWO lawyers will make a pretty-good living.)
 
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I took your OP to be tongue-in-cheek.... but if anyone is taking it seriously.... the best reason not to have a seat-belt interlock system is in order to operate with the ROPs in the folded position.

While many of us “roll our eyes” at all the precautionary safety warnings on things these days.... That’s a short-sighted and silly thing to get upset about. The reason safety warnings are deemed necessary by mfr’s is because they’ve been SUED and LOST when they sold their stuff (without safety equpt/warnings) to the unwary and inexperienced.
At one time in history people learned to shoot before they were sold firearms, and medicines were only issued by doctors to people that needed them.

When mfr’s decided to sell to Anybody and Everybody that showed up with money.... and when they next decided to sell on Credit even to un-credit-worthy people who had Zero experience with such products.... it became necessary to regulate WHO was sold WHAT without some minimalist regulatory guidance. It makes sense. Would you be a responsible mfr’r/seller if you sold dangerous goods to unfamiliar users?

Remember: In a SMALL town a lawyer will go broke.

(But TWO lawyers will make a pretty-good living.)
You just wrote 3 paragraphs explaining all the stickers as being "manufacturer liability" issues. All true, but nothing to do with safety.

I was lucky they used crappy stickers on mine. Most of them fell off on the way home from the dealer. I was upset about all the stupid stickers on my brand new tractor.

My new truck has 30 pages of warnings in the manual (where they belong) NO stickers on the fenders/tires/wheels/hood etc. I do have a diesel only sticker inside the fuel door.
 
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You just wrote 3 paragraphs explaining all the stickers as being "manufacturer liability" issues. All true, but nothing to do with safety.

I was lucky they used crappy stickers on mine. Most of them fell off on the way home from the dealer. I was upset about all the stupid stickers on my brand new tractor.

My new truck has 30 pages of warnings in the manual (where they belong) NO stickers on the fenders/tires/wheels/hood etc. I do have a diesel only sticker inside the fuel door.
YOU just wrote 3 paragraphs about the fact you ignore stickers which DO address safety...
Just because YOU are comfortable around tractors because of YOUR past experience with them and with machinery in-general.... does not mean the stickers are not useful for others.

And YES... the mfr’s liability is what drives them to warn about the safety-hazards of the products they sell to anybody and everybody regardless of the purchaser’s experience levels.

What a silly thing.... to get upset over stick-on messages which you ignore anyway.

I once heard a lawyer make a point I’d never considered previously: “The reason you have smoke detectors in your hotel room is because an injury-lawyer took a hotel to court over their failure to provide a safe room for paying clients.” It took me awhile... but it did finally dawn on me that there are SOME instances where warnings to an innocent public are warranted.... and You can remove them once you own the tractor.... but how are you going to feel about later your selling it to a city-slicker- moving-to-the-country when their kid is killed and your kids are sued out of their estate?
The definition of “safety” can have different meanings for buyer and seller: Safety for their kids... And safety for your kids inheritance.
 

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but how are you going to feel about selling it to a city-slicker- moving-to-the-country when their kid is killed and your kids are sued out of their estate?
The definition of “safety” can have different meanings for buyer and seller: Safety for their kids... And safety for your kids inheritance.
...what?
 

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I hate those stickers because they just don't come off easily. If you scrape them off you scratch the paint. If you heat them off, you get glue gunk that has to be removed with chemicals that ruin the paint. They are messy looking and detract from the beauty of the beast.
 
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YOU just wrote 3 paragraphs about the fact you ignore stickers which DO address safety...
Just because YOU are comfortable around tractors because of YOUR past experience with them and with machinery in-general.... does not mean the stickers are not useful for others.

And YES... the mfr’s liability is what drives them to warn about the safety-hazards of the products they sell to anybody and everybody regardless of the purchaser’s experience levels.

What a silly thing.... to get upset over stick-on messages which you ignore anyway.

I once heard a lawyer make a point I’d never considered previously: “The reason you have smoke detectors in your hotel room is because an injury-lawyer took a hotel to court over their failure to provide a safe room for paying clients.” It took me awhile... but it did finally dawn on me that there are SOME instances where warnings to an innocent public are warranted.... and You can remove them once you own the tractor.... but how are you going to feel about later your selling it to a city-slicker- moving-to-the-country when their kid is killed and your kids are sued out of their estate?
The definition of “safety” can have different meanings for buyer and seller: Safety for their kids... And safety for your kids inheritance.
And yet not a single sticker on the new truck,
On the fenders
On the hood
On the dashboard etc.


Your fire alarm straw man won't work on me, try that with someone else. Or do you really not recognize the difference?
 

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We have "Do Not Eat" stickers on laundry detergent because? Someone did it.
We have HOT do not touch stickers on mufflers because? Someone did it.
"Product will be hot when heated"
 
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If you heat them off, you get glue gunk that has to be removed with chemicals that ruin the paint.
Most of those have petroleum based adhesives. Next time try wd40, kerosene or diesel.
 

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Most of those have petroleum based adhesives. Next time try wd40, kerosene or diesel.
I have used all of them at one time or another. When you rub to get the glue off, you get rub marks in the paint, at the very least. At the worst, you get discolored paint.
 

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re: but how are you going to feel about later your selling it to a city-slicker- moving-to-the-country when their kid is killed and your kids are sued out of their estate?

You can't be sued( well they can't win), even in Judge Judy's court. Any used vehicle is legally sold 'as is' UNLESS there's 'paperwork' ( warranty) that says 'this and that are covered for this many days'.

Up here,north of the 49th, if a child is hurt/killed ,their parent can be charged under 'parental negligence' in the Canadian Criminal Code. I assume similar laws are in effect south of the 49th.
 

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I just read this whole thread from beginning to now. Not sure if the OP was serious or if bored and felt like throwing a match on a pile of gas soaked rags and laughing at the explosion and ensuing inferno. Regardless...

Some may know I’ve posted a couple of things about safety (which some have appreciated more than others) so I’m not adverse to reasonable safety measures. However, this reminds me of a conversation I had with my ex-city girl wife first time she was around while I was running a chainsaw. She said it looked incredibly dangerous and there had to be a safer alternative so we had to use something safer. Asked her what’s harder to cut in half, my leg or this 30” white oak? Being she’s reasonably bright, she replied the oak was much harder to cut. I agreed and told her that being the case, anything that would reduce the tree to firewood would also easily cause harm to a person. We went back to work and haven’t discussed it since. That doesn’t mean I’m careless with it or don’t have great respect for it.

To some degree, tractors are the same. If it has the power to run a bush hog, it has the power to wring you out like a dirty dishrag; if it has the weight and power to level a road with a box scrape, it has the weight and power to run over you and crush you.

At some point safety measures can render the machine virtually or actually unusable for its intended purpose which necessarily obviates the point of manufacturing and buying the machine. PTOs that don’t work in reverse or require an override every time on some smaller units come close to that already. Cars are probably more dangerous than tractors, more people are just used to them.

Personally, I don’t think it’s practical to wear a seatbelt 100% of the time in all scenarios. If you want to wear one at all times feel free.

Some really smart and wise people have made one mistake in a lifetime and didn’t get a second chance. But also true a complete dumba** can kill themselves with a garbage bag and/or a handful of bath salts.
 

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The only reason I participated in this clearly tongue-in-cheek thread was to stir the pot with those of you who clearly have an “authority aversion complex.” Get over it. You want the stickers gone ...remove them. I think that tikcers in good condition make my tractor look newer than those with torn or missing stickers. LOL
 

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The only reason I participated in this clearly tongue-in-cheek thread was to stir the pot with those of you who clearly have an “authority aversion complex.” Get over it. You want the stickers gone ...remove them. I think that tikcers in good condition make my tractor look newer than those with torn or missing stickers. LOL
Quite the narcissist Geo, everyone must feel so good about you. Your posts and their intent is pretty clear to see to anyone from the outside, no need to back pedal now.
 

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it is not required by government thus kubota ain't spending more money to install it, UNLESS it gives them a competitive advantage in sales which I can't see. But what do I know? I'm just a dumb grease monkey.
 
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Quite the narcissist Geo, everyone must feel so good about you. Your posts and their intent is pretty clear to see to anyone from the outside, no need to back pedal now.
You shouldn’t use words you don’t know.