Damaged Hinge Pin on Stabilizer Leg - Kubota M59 TLB

whizbang

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I bought a used M59 a few months back that is in great condition, but I had not noticed until a few months of ownership that there was some damage to the right backhoe stabilizer leg. The pin that holds the upper portion of the cylinder for the leg appears to be broken. As you can see in the attached photos the upper ears that hold the pin are flared out and a portion of the pin protrudes beyond the ear more than it should. This issue essentially causes the leg to move as though the pin is arc shaped and the leg cannot lift all the way up, thus when it is all the way up the foot sits further out than the tire (see photo).
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Even though the stabilizer is functioning and there has not been any operational issue I want to fix this because I often use it in my woods and fear getting the leg hung up on something and causing more damage. I could use some input on doing the repair. I have purchased the replacement pin already from the dealer, it is a 1 ¼” diameter pin.

First, does anyone know the steel grade on ears? Be nice to know what I am working with.

My plan to remove the pin is to cut through it with a thin cutting disc on my large grinder. The portion of the pin protruding seems to be seized and the other half has no purchase (or clearance) to pull on, so cutting seems to be my only option. Other ideas are welcome.

My first thought was to utilize 1” threaded rod with DOM stock I machined one end down into a cone shape to aid in alignment. With this I would use a spacer between the ears so I knew how far to compress. Then I would use the nuts to draw the ears in. I figure the only way this will work is to apply heat. Are there any concerns with applying heat? Am I likely to fatigue the steel too much? Will I greatly weaken the ears and put the stability and strength of the leg at risk long term? Will I crack/tear the steel without heat?

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Another method would be to use the threaded rod as a guide with the cones but instead of using the nuts I would use a hollow hydraulic cylinder as a puller with my porta-power. I would still use the spacer to prevent over compression. I assume the ears are plastically deformed, but I am concerned with how to over come that and re-position the ears correctly, will I have to significantly over compress due to spring back?

Do you think I can get the ears aligned good enough to fit the OEM pin? I have purchased a 1.25” diameter, long ream and thought I would have a machine shop machine a taper on the first ½” of the ream to help start it and then use it to get the holes aligned, but worry there might be too much material to remove.

Lastly, I live in SE MI, if there is anyone you would recommend for this type of repair I would be interested in contacting them. I would be curious to learn about anyone’s experience in doing a similar repair or if someone has a better reference for what to call this repair (I have been calling it stabilizer ear repair) to search for videos online, please share.
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Think I'd take it apart and using a gas axe, heat the ears and bend them back into alignment and overlay then on the outside with fishplates the same thickness as the frame is now. I'm 99% sure the frame is mild steel Hot rolled sheet, nothing fancy.

After heating and bending the ears back straight and fishplating them on the outside (and welding the fishplates on of course) if it was me, I'd turn a new pin from bar stock long enough to fit. I'd say from looking at the damage whomever owned it previously dragged the tractor with the hoe (with the wheels off the ground ) and bent the ears.

Everthread isn't going to cut the cheese as a fulcrum pin in my opinion. Some 1080 bar stock machined, would be a much better choice. Have a very similar job here in the shop right now.

Just my opinion on how I'd approach it.

I'm in SE Michigan as well, Lenawee County shoot me a PM and we can discuss your options and I'll help you along.
 

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My concern, as I read your plans, deals with the alignment of the bushings for the pin once you have bent them back into alignment..

The pin is a snug fit in the two bushings. The likelihood of the two ears coming back into perfect bushing alignment seems remote to me.

Steel work hardens when bent. Take a metal clothes hanger and bend it. Now try and straighten the bend. It is impossible because the bent area of the steel rod is now stronger than the metal beside the bend.

The same process will be going on with your ears.

I would offer the following for your consideration and the comments of others.

Straighten the ears as best you can. Should you find that the pin cannot slide into the two bushings in the ears, get a skilled welder to cut one ear free. Use a new pin inserted into the ear you do not cut to become the alignment jig for the re welding of the cut ear.

This is not a welding job for a novice. It will take skill to control how the hot weld bends the ear so that when cool it is aligned.

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I can offer something that I did many years ago to a piece of equipment that had near the same issue with. I carefully cut the ear about 1/3 the way through with a cutting wheel and then inserted the pin into the hole on the side that I cut, and bent the ear until the holes were aligned. I used a 4 foot section of pipe over the pin for leverage to make the bend. I bent the ear enough where I could get the pin through both holes. After I got the holes aligned I pressed a new pin in the holes. After getting the new pin in, I welded along the cut that I made. I think I did three passes with the welder to fill the cut and make sure that I added enough material to add strength. That worked very well. YEMV
 
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I would never cold bend them. Heat them with a torch until dull red and align them again and if necessary, line bore them (but I don't think that is necessary) I believe they will come back to alignment when heated to a plastic state. That will never happen with a cold bend.

Have a similar job in the shop right now, but a Kubota bucket with bent mounting ears. Not with standing, it needs to be fishplated/welded and I'd do both sides (fishplate), not just the sprung side.

Easy to see the stressed steel by the flaking paint on the top of the ear.
 
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Make sure both ears are bent using a straight edge. The one is real obviously bent but the other (one to the right in picture) could maybe still be straight.

I think you will see that it is bent but easily verified before working on it.

I agree with the heat it up method not the cold work method being the better process
 

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The issue with cold bending it is, it will never return to the original position. It has to be heated dull red and bent back. To be sure it aligns, put a appropriate steel bar through the holes and heat and bend it back and like I stated previously, fish plate both ears on the outside. I'd solid wire MIG the fish plates, toss on a 5 gallon finish and call it good but, I'd do both sides not just the bent side. One ear at a time. A C clamp will pull it back and allow precise control over how far it needs to be pulled back and when heated there will be no springback like a cold form.

Once bent back and fish plated you will need to turn a pin long enough to fit.

I always hot form anything like that, never cold bend.
 

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Looking at the picture, I'd say removing the old (bent) pin will be impossible without severing it between the cylinder boss and the ear boss. It ain't coming out on it's own...

Think I'd take a thin kerf cut off wheel in a 4 1/2" angle grinder and cut the pin or plasma cutter and cut it but the cut off wheel is probably the best bet. Cut the pin on one (or both sides of the cylinder boss), remove what is left of the bent pin, drop the cylinder and then fix the ears. The ears are splayed out enough that you can access the bent pin on both sides of the cylinder boss. On commercial grade hoes, stress points like that are usually fish plated from the factory just to mitigate stuff like that happening.
 

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You already know it hasn’t affected the function, and you’ve had it some time now before you even noticed it.
I’d leave it alone and don’t drive it into anything that will further damage it. At some point in the distant future you’ll have to remove that cylinder and that’s when to cut the pin, use a hydraulic porta-power to squeeze it back into position, and install a new pin and likely re-bush the ears.
If lucky, that’ll be after someone has already used the hoe to dig your resting place. :cool:
 

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He's got it posted on the 'other forum' as well. I'm sure he will get some interesting responses from both..... :rolleyes:

I get a kick out of people that post there and here and compare answers. I post on there and have for at least 10 years but I don't cross post, ever.
 

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Interesting bend.

Based on the forces involved, It looks like it was done by pulling on it, not it pushing down as it would normally do. If you just keep using it normally it may just bend back in place.
 

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Interesting bend.

Based on the forces involved, It looks like it was done by pulling on it, not it pushing down as it would normally do. If you just keep using it normally it may just bend back in place.
Please look at the length of the pin that is sticking out on the side without the cross bolt

I believe the pin is broken.

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I’m guessing the leg was extended and someone drove-off with it extended and hit something...OR... it was extended and some other equipment ran into it....OR.... it fell off a trailer.
 

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I’m guessing the leg was extended and someone drove-off with it extended and hit something...OR... it was extended and some other equipment ran into it....OR.... it fell off a trailer.

From my comment #2 at the start of the thread......

" I'd say from looking at the damage whomever owned it previously dragged the tractor with the hoe (with the wheels off the ground ) and bent the ears.

Or your scenario, which ever you want to apply
 

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Well, the OP has not responded (on here or there). Must be collecting ideas instead.
 

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Just got home from work and had a chance to finally read through everything. Thank you everyone for the feedback. I appreciate the thoughts and recommendations and certainly did not expect all this feedback. I had posted this same thread on the “other forum” as well in hopes of getting more eyes on it and recommendations, I have often made similar posts for help and gotten very few suggestions, so thank you all again.
 

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First I’d like to state, as recommended, I put a straight edge (and digital protractor) on the ears and verified both ears are bent outwards from the cylinder boss as assumed from the photos. The left ear is worse than the right but both will require bending.

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I also used a pick tool to clean out some gunk to get a better look at the pin portion in the cylinder, there is a significant gap there and with that I was able to rotate the 90deg pick and it was clearly catching on something that I believe to an end of the broken pin. Based on what I was seeing and feeling I am certain the pin is broken and that the break is within about ½” from the left side of the cylinder boss.

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Should I be concerned that there is a gap in the cylinder boss? Is there possibility the cylinder boss is too wallered out from operation with the broken pin?

What is the chance that once I get (assumed) broken pin out that the ears spring back? When you cycle the leg up and down you can see the ears/bushings slightly move in and out.

Would the assumed causes of the damage really explain a broken pin on the top hinge but no damage to the lower pin/ears, based on visual and dimensional comparison to the leg? Do pins often fail like this?
 
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From my comment #2 at the start of the thread......

" I'd say from looking at the damage whomever owned it previously dragged the tractor with the hoe (with the wheels off the ground ) and bent the ears.

Or your scenario, which ever you want to apply
I have to be careful with my valves, sometimes they don't go fully into the neutral position and the jack will drift down. I discovered that doing some loader work and something felt weird. I was dragging the jack in the lowered position.

Previous owner might have had the same problem, may have even driven into something with the jack down (my guess) or hooked the jack with the bucket.
 

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First I’d like to state, as recommended, I put a straight edge (and digital protractor) on the ears and verified both ears are bent outwards from the cylinder boss as assumed from the photos. The left ear is worse than the right but both will require bending.

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I also used a pick tool to clean out some gunk to get a better look at the pin portion in the cylinder, there is a significant gap there and with that I was able to rotate the 90deg pick and it was clearly catching on something that I believe to an end of the broken pin. Based on what I was seeing and feeling I am certain the pin is broken and that the break is within about ½” from the left side of the cylinder boss.

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Should I be concerned that there is a gap in the cylinder boss? Is there possibility the cylinder boss is too wallered out from operation with the broken pin?

What is the chance that once I get (assumed) broken pin out that the ears spring back? When you cycle the leg up and down you can see the ears/bushings slightly move in and out.

Would the assumed causes of the damage really explain a broken pin on the top hinge but no damage to the lower pin/ears, based on visual and dimensional comparison to the leg? Do pins often fail like this?
My guess is that the previous owner actually impacted something like a tree or wall while moving the tractor.
After getting the pin parts out, look to see if the frame is too wallowed out to be functional however it doesn't appear to be. You probably won't be able to get a pin back in there. If not you'll have to heat up the frame being careful not to damage anything that suseptable to heat and being careful not to bend the frame too much. I would construct a tool the same diameter as the pin, bent to an angle so you can get it in the hole and bend each side while heating. Like a really big allen wrench. You could use part of the broken pin. Heat it where you want it bent. Watch the distance between and be sure the holes line up while it's hot. In my opinion , you'll have to fix it because what good is a stablizer that's not stable. The hydraulic cylinder looks stretched more than wallowed out. You may be able to heat it and beat it back into shape using a pin inside to keep from overdoing it. If you do , you can file it some with a half round file. Then paint it orange!
 

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Whizbang... from your pics .... it looks like the cylinder -end/boss is damaged by stretching and is likely weakened significantly. While in the extension mode that likely won’t cause too much future trouble, ... now is the time to replace it, IMO. You will not be able to restore it’s strength by beating it back down...in-fact, that action will further weaken it.
Sorry to say it, but if you undertake this repair, now is the time to do it right, and that means reshaping the ears, re-bushing, and replacing the cylinder.
 
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