Summit Hydraulics multipliers and Scorpion Technologies control grips

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I went down a rabbit hole a few months ago after buying a used Buhler/Farm King hydraulic rear blade. The blade came with three hydraulic cylinders with one for boom offset, one for blade angle and one for blade tilt. The owner's manual shows an optional gauge wheel set up with two wheels and an optional hydraulic cylinder to control the height of the blade. So three rear remotes but four cylinders, which is a problem that I've run into repeatedly since I have top-n-tilt on both tractors i.e. hydraulic top link and hydraulic lift rod link. The flail mower and the snow blower both need two rear remotes, and the rear blade needs three, so I'm often left deciding whether to give up the top link or the lift rod link when running those implements.

I tend to like more features than less, and the idea of using the rear blade like a road grader with the blade centered between two axles that are far apart appeals to me. However, with only three rear remotes on each tractor I would need to add another set of remotes on both.

I was slow to catch on, but @MtnViewRanch made the point that I could operate all four cylinders on one implement using one lever in the cab and a control grip from Scorpion Technologies or similar. Last November I ordered a Scorpion X Series grip with four momentary buttons in a diamond pattern to make it easy to remember which button controls which cylinder when running the rear blade. Basically, you hold down a button (momentary) to allow oil to flow through one pair of outlets, and then move the lever to control a cylinder or motor connected to those outlets. Summit Hydraulics provides switch boxes or rocker switches that allow the lever to control multiple cylinders at the same time, but that's a not a function that I need or want, so momentary switches works for me.

I was putting off buying the multipliers until the Spring, but Summit Hydraulics has a St. Patrick's Day 15% discount through 3/17 so this seemed like the perfect time to order 4 circuit and 3 circuit hydraulic multipliers for both tractors. Also, a Scorpion S Series three-button control grip from Canada for the MX before the tariffs drive the cost up. I have no intention of running the Buhler/Farm King rear blade on the MX given the size and weight of the blade, but controlling a snow blower chute and deflector as well as one of the hydraulic top-n-tilt cylinders, or controlling flail offset and cutting head angle along with a top-n-tilt cylinder all from the one lever is appealing.

There is something that I ran into though and it's a comment I noticed in the installation instructions for the Scorpion X Series.

NOTE:
Switch life will be greatly reduced if snubber diodes are not used across inductive loads. (ie relay
and solenoid coils).

2 amp diodes should be installed across the 2 terminals on the solenoids. The striped end of the
diode should be attached to the positive solenoid terminal (wire from the switch) and the other end
of the diode attached to the negative (ground) solenoid terminal.

If a diode pack has been included with the wiring harness, the Black wire emerging from the diode
pack should be attached to ground.


When I spoke with the salesman at Scorpion Technologies this afternoon I asked if he knew whether or not the solenoids that were coming with the multipliers had diodes in them. He didn't know so I called Summit this afternoon and the person I spoke with wasn't sure either, but assured me that he'd find out and send me an email once he knew. As I was going down another rabbit hole doing my own research re the solenoids, I received an email from Summit stating that the Hydraforce SV10-41 solenoids do in fact have Zener diodes in them to protect the buttons used to control them. Phew! Good news and great service from Summit and Scorpion both. I sent and email to Scorpion Technologies informing them of this since they regularly get calls from customers asking about Summit Hydraulics and Scorpion control grips.

I'm looking forward to making up custom brackets to bolt these chunks of aluminum to the rear of both tractors. Here are the pieces of this puzzle to be installed in the Spring. I'll update this thread as I accompish various parts of the installation such as the mounting brackets, modifications to the levers in the cab to accept the control grips, hoses to run from one set of remotes to the valve body, wiring, testing,etc.

Summit Hydraulics 3 circuit and 4 circuit hydraulic multipliers.

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Scorpion Technologies X Series and S Series control grips.

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Subscribed for the ride. You always have something interesting going on.
 
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Following. Wish I would have known about the sale on these before I bought mine a few weeks ago. I was able to get 5% off but every bit adds up.
 
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I went down a rabbit hole a few months ago after buying a used Buhler/Farm King hydraulic rear blade. The blade came with three hydraulic cylinders with one for boom offset, one for blade angle and one for blade tilt. The owner's manual shows an optional gauge wheel set up with two wheels and an optional hydraulic cylinder to control the height of the blade. So three rear remotes but four cylinders, which is a problem that I've run into repeatedly since I have top-n-tilt on both tractors i.e. hydraulic top link and hydraulic lift rod link. The flail mower and the snow blower both need two rear remotes, and the rear blade needs three, so I'm often left deciding whether to give up the top link or the lift rod link when running those implements.

I tend to like more features than less, and the idea of using the rear blade like a road grader with the blade centered between two axles that are far apart appeals to me. However, with only three rear remotes on each tractor I would need to add another set of remotes on both.

I was slow to catch on, but @MtnViewRanch made the point that I could operate all four cylinders on one implement using one lever in the cab and a control grip from Scorpion Technologies or similar. Last November I ordered a Scorpion X Series grip with four momentary buttons in a diamond pattern to make it easy to remember which button controls which cylinder when running the rear blade. Basically, you hold down a button (momentary) to allow oil to flow through one pair of outlets, and then move the lever to control a cylinder or motor connected to those outlets. Summit Hydraulics provides switch boxes or rocker switches that allow the lever to control multiple cylinders at the same time, but that's a not a function that I need or want, so momentary switches works for me.

I was putting off buying the multipliers until the Spring, but Summit Hydraulics has a St. Patrick's Day 15% discount through 3/17 so this seemed like the perfect time to order 4 circuit and 3 circuit hydraulic multipliers for both tractors. Also, a Scorpion S Series three-button control grip from Canada for the MX before the tariffs drive the cost up. I have no intention of running the Buhler/Farm King rear blade on the MX given the size and weight of the blade, but controlling a snow blower chute and deflector as well as one of the hydraulic top-n-tilt cylinders, or controlling flail offset and cutting head angle along with a top-n-tilt cylinder all from the one lever is appealing.

There is something that I ran into though and it's a comment I noticed in the installation instructions for the Scorpion X Series.

NOTE:
Switch life will be greatly reduced if snubber diodes are not used across inductive loads. (ie relay
and solenoid coils).

2 amp diodes should be installed across the 2 terminals on the solenoids. The striped end of the
diode should be attached to the positive solenoid terminal (wire from the switch) and the other end
of the diode attached to the negative (ground) solenoid terminal.

If a diode pack has been included with the wiring harness, the Black wire emerging from the diode
pack should be attached to ground.


When I spoke with the salesman at Scorpion Technologies this afternoon I asked if he knew whether or not the solenoids that were coming with the multipliers had diodes in them. He didn't know so I called Summit this afternoon and the person I spoke with wasn't sure either, but assured me that he'd find out and send me an email once he knew. As I was going down another rabbit hole doing my own research re the solenoids, I received an email from Summit stating that the Hydraforce SV10-41 solenoids do in fact have Zener diodes in them to protect the buttons used to control them. Phew! Good news and great service from Summit and Scorpion both. I sent and email to Scorpion Technologies informing them of this since they regularly get calls from customers asking about Summit Hydraulics and Scorpion control grips.

I'm looking forward to making up custom brackets to bolt these chunks of aluminum to the rear of both tractors. Here are the pieces of this puzzle to be installed in the Spring. I'll update this thread as I accompish various parts of the installation such as the mounting brackets, modifications to the levers in the cab to accept the control grips, hoses to run from one set of remotes to the valve body, wiring, testing,etc.

Summit Hydraulics 3 circuit and 4 circuit hydraulic multipliers.

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Scorpion Technologies X Series and S Series control grips.

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Thanks for posting! I've been looking for one of these clamshell joysticks to convert my BH thumb actuator from mechanical to electric. Do you have a part number for this?
 
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Thanks for posting! I've been looking for one of these clamshell joysticks to convert my BH thumb actuator from mechanical to electric. Do you have a part number for this?
Here is the source.


Also, for those of you concerned about diodes, don't be.
Unless you are a commercial user, ( meaning 8hrs a day, 5 days a week) you will not use up the unprotected life expectancy of these switches.
Just look at the paperwork that comes with the control grip and look at the chart for life expectancy.
 
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Thanks for posting! I've been looking for one of these clamshell joysticks to convert my BH thumb actuator from mechanical to electric. Do you have a part number for this?
The part that I ordered is S1-M2-10 ($149.40) but the S Series is offered in numerous configurations. I opted for two momentary buttons on the faceplate and one momentary trigger switch. If you click on the link below you can see the many variants offered.


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Also, for those of you concerned about diodes, don't be.
Unless you are a commercial user, ( meaning 8hrs a day, 5 days a week) you will not use up the unprotected life expectancy of these switches.
Just look at the paperwork that comes with the control grip and look at the chart for life expectancy.
As I pointed out, the solenoids that ship with the Summit Hydraulics multipliers have Zener diodes installed in them, as recommended by Scorpion Technologies. Personally, if I'm going to spend $400 on a pair of control grips I'd rather follow the manufacturer's installation recommendations, but that's easy enough if another manufacturer doesn't use diodes since Summit sells replacement solenoids with Zener diodes (for those that want to follow Scorpion Technologies' recommendation).


From Scorpion Technologies.

"Diodes are installed to protect the switch contacts from arcing caused by inductive kickback. This can happen whenever a switch operates a coil. Diodes should be installed on each solenoid, with the white stripe to the most positive side of the circuit, as shown. This can increase switch life by a factor of 10."
 
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As I pointed out, the solenoids that ship with the Summit Hydraulics multipliers have Zener diodes installed in them, as recommended by Scorpion Technologies. Personally, if I'm going to spend $400 on a pair of control grips I'd rather follow the manufacturer's installation recommendations, but that's easy enough if another manufacturer doesn't use diodes since Summit sells replacement solenoids with Zener diodes (for those that want to follow Scorpion Technologies' recommendation).


From Scorpion Technologies.

"Diodes are installed to protect the switch contacts from arcing caused by inductive kickback. This can happen whenever a switch operates a coil. Diodes should be installed on each solenoid, with the white stripe to the most positive side of the circuit, as shown. This can increase switch life by a factor of 10."
You guys are correct, adding the diodes extends switch life, no question. My point is that it is not needed under typical homeowner use.

I have been providing these grips to my customers for over 10 years, not a single switch failure has ever be reported and I do not go out of my way to recommend that diodes be used to extend the life, simply because the typical home owner will NEVER use the switches enough to ever get to the end of the expected amount of uses that they are good for without the diodes. About 15,000 uses each year for 20 years.
Not everyone needs a switch that is good for up to 150,000 times a year for 20 years, yes?

A typical home owner uses their tractor for less than 200 hours per year. At 15,000 uses per year, that is 75 uses every hour of use for 20 years. That is simply not going to happen.

Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with adding any safety-extending work life type of wiring.
All I'm saying is that it is not needed. ;)
 
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You guys are correct, adding the diodes extends switch life, no question. My point is that it is not needed under typical homeowner use.

Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with adding any safety-extending work life type of wiring.
All I'm saying is that it is not needed. ;)
Your point is well taken, and I think we agree that informed decisions are better than uninformed ones. I also think that we've covered this fairly well. Anyone else interested in going down this rabbit hole will hopefully know what they're buying, be aware of manufacturer's recommended "best practices" and understand the implications of their choices. There is no decision to be made if you combine Summit Hydraulics multipliers with Scorpion Technologies control grips ... that's my main point.

For anyone interested in the diode discussion, Scorpion Technologies has some good information on their website.


"The switches have a rated mechanical life of over ten million cycles, but electrical life is dependent on a number of factors. The switch load (in Amps) and proper diode protection are the two biggest things that can affect switch life.

The graph shows the typical life of our switches, comparing switch load in Amps to the number of on/off cycles that can be expected. Switch life will be greatly reduced if suppression diodes are not used (See the section on surge suppression)."


" The solution for DC voltage applications is to add a rectifier diode in parallel across the solenoid terminals. A diode acts as a one way valve for electricity. In normal operation the electric current can’t flow through the diode, so it flows through the solenoid coil. When the operator releases the switch the current is shut off to the solenoid, and the inductive kick flows backwards through the diode rather than through the switch contacts, bleeding off the high voltage spike. Scorpion Technologies strongly recommends that suppression diodes be used on all solenoids."
 

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In another thread by Summit Hydraulics, @torch mentions that the valve bodies are made in Finland. If that's true it makes me all warm and fuzzy. I'm a fan of Scandinavian engineering and manufacturing.
 

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The part that I ordered is S1-M2-10 ($149.40) but the S Series is offered in numerous configurations. I opted for two momentary buttons on the faceplate and one momentary trigger switch. If you click on the link below you can see the many variants offered.


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Thanks for all this. I just spoke with Eden on the phone and got one ordered, they were really helpful, pleasure doing business with them! I like being able to support fellow Canadian businesses. I'll post some pics when I get it installed.
 
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