How Hard to De-Green an MX5200?

[Mr Haney]

I saw an ad for a Kubota MX5200 with 1500 hours. The price looked nice to me, but this thing has the wonderful emissions stuff that requires high revs and can result in $$$$$$ repairs.

I would never, ever violate any type of environmental regulation, ever, even though I run my tractor about 30 hours a year and could never make a dent in the pollution problem, but just as a matter of interest, how hard is it to get rid of all that fine emissions stuff on this particular tractor?

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

About $4K

And if you ever need work done to it in the future you can not take it to a dealer.
Most dealers will refuse to do any work on it.

If your only using it 30 hours a year it's simply not worth the expense and trouble.
The MX5200 is a very stable emissions system and requires just about no effort to maintain.

 

[Mr Haney]

So I don't have to worry that it's going to fail and cost me a fortune to replace?

 

[Firefight100]

I have a mx5200. And i put maybe 50 hrs a year on it. The emissions is not worth worrying about. You'll need to do a couple regens a year. When mine calls for a regen, I just run it up the road at full throttle for a mile and back home or I continue roto tilling and everything is complete. The mx is a good hd tractor

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

So I don't have to worry that it's going to fail and cost me a fortune to replace?

Highly unlikely that you'll have any issues!

 

[Mr Haney]

Someone told me you can yank the emissions stuff off a TYM without consequences.

 

[#40Fan]

Because the TYM doesn't have a computer controlled injection pump, it won't care too much. Great prices too.

 

[McMXi]

I saw an ad for a Kubota MX5200 with 1500 hours. The price looked nice to me, but this thing has the wonderful emissions stuff that requires high revs and can result in $$$$$$ repairs.

I would never, ever violate any type of environmental regulation, ever, even though I run my tractor about 30 hours a year and could never make a dent in the pollution problem, but just as a matter of interest, how hard is it to get rid of all that fine emissions stuff on this particular tractor?

You asked "how hard" .... and the answer is not hard at all. The cost of adding a turbo to an L2501 is about the same as getting the ECU reflashed. If you don't want to gut the DPF then you'll need to make or have someone make up a custom exhaust from the turbo back. Easy to do if you have any fabrication and welding skills and a 2" mandrel bent exhaust kit from Amazon or similar.

Whether or not it's worth the cost, effort and risk is an entirely different conversation.

 

[Mr Haney]

The big concern would be that it would fail and I would have to spend thousands and wait a month for the dealer to fix it.

This is all good info to have.

 

[McMXi]

The big concern would be that it would fail and I would have to spend thousands and wait a month for the dealer to fix it.

This is all good info to have.

One approach would be to buy the MX5200 and use it, and if at a later date you have a DPF/EGR issue that isn't covered by any warranty , then rather than spend a lot of money on repair or replacement, you could have the ECU flashed and gut the defective DPF system if that system is junk. That would very likely be far less expensive than paying for parts and labor to fix any problems.

Go to Messick's.com and price out the the various components of a DPF system. They are very expensive.

 

[Runs With Scissors]

One approach would be to buy the MX5200 and use it, and if at a later date you have a DPF/EGR issue that isn't covered by any warranty , then rather than spend a lot of money on repair or replacement, you could have the ECU flashed and gut the defective DPF system if that system is junk. That would very likely be far less expensive than paying for parts and labor to fix any problems.

Go to Messick's.com and price out the the various components of a DPF system. They are very expensive.

The other "up-side" to this approach is that, if in the future it does happen, then most likely someone else has had the same problem and has already done the "heavy lifting" for you, and posted how to do it somewhere.

 

[Hoserman]

Buying used "anything" is always a risk unless you know what you are buying has been taken care of. Like Runs with Scissors said "most likely someone else has had the same problem and has already done the "heavy lifting" for you, Good luck on your choice.

 

[McMXi]

Buying used "anything" is always a risk unless you know what you are buying has been taken care of. Like Runs with Scissors said "most likely someone else has had the same problem and has already done the "heavy lifting" for you, Good luck on your choice.

No "heavy lifting" required, unless you're talking about lifting out the DPF system. The work has been done, there are plenty of companies offering ECU reflashes, programmers and reset modules if needed. Even the price has been figured out so there's no guessing involved.

 

[JonM]

what causes emmissions issues with dpf is ignoring the regen.

my 6060 when the regen light comes on just throttle up until the up throttle light goes off and let it run until the regen light goes off.

takes about 20 minutes. diesel trucks are the same way. ignore a regen or keep bypassing the regen or using oil additives or oil not rated for diesel emmission engines adding transmission fluid into the fuel or other stupid sht your buddy's granpappy did 879 years ago... thats the real problem

the tractor emissions dont care if your driving or just idling at higher revs during a regen. doesnt matter.

if your dealing with def thats another matter as def has a lifespan. def can easily go bad in higher temps. it generally has a 2 year shelf life which is shortened by heat and sunlight.

so if you have def and your not using the tractor much you should drain the tank annually.

def is 68% distilled water and 32% pure urea. urea breaks down over time, sunlight exposure, and heat.

 

[McMXi]

Neal Messick released a video yesterday regarding the new rules surrounding manufacturer's reported engine hp output. They can no longer report hp as the average hp for a particular engine model. They now have to report hp as the maximum seen across x number of models tested. So if Kubota reports a tractor to have a 25 hp engine where manufacturing variations result in actual hp ranging from 23.5 hp to 26.5 hp, and the average being 25 hp, they must now report the engine as producing 26.5 hp.

This might be a big deal for companies that are trying to stay under a threshold to avoid the need for emissions equipment such as DPF.