Backhoe on a BX2380?

[lilguy]

If one buys a BX2380 with loader can a BX23S backhoe be added later?

 

[SidecarFlip]

With the proper subframe

 

[lilguy]

With the proper subframe

Thanks.

 

[Fordtech86]

If one buys a BX2380 with loader can a BX23S backhoe be added later?

No you can’t add the Kubota backhoe to it.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

OK, I don't have speakers on my PC, so why does Mesicks say 'no' to the backhoe? I'm unde rhte impression the BX2380 and 23s are 'sisters' so BH should go on...

 

[Fordtech86]

OK, I don't have speakers on my PC, so why does Mesicks say 'no' to the backhoe? I'm unde rhte impression the BX2380 and 23s are 'sisters' so BH should go on...

Apparently the subframe for the backhoe is welded/integrated into the frame of the 23s.

I don’t have one or ever seen one, just recall previous conversations about them.

 

[PapaJ]

OK, I don't have speakers on my PC, so why does Mesicks say 'no' to the backhoe? I'm unde rhte impression the BX2380 and 23s are 'sisters' so BH should go on...

The frame for the hoe is not a bolt on kit like you can buy for other models. It's welded on by Kubota.

 

[pjoh784350]

If one buys a BX2380 with loader can a BX23S backhoe be added later?

The Messicks video does a good job explaining. The BX23s backhoe pins into the frame which has subtle variations from a standard BX frame, most importantly the subframe for the backhoe. The BX23S backhoe can be removed in about 3 minutes but does not match up to any other BX in at least recent years models.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

hmm, welded on subframe. Sounds like it'd be near impossible to get the subframe sections and weld them on yourself. Though you could get a CNC guy to make them. probably cost more than upgrading tractors though !

 

[JeremyBX2200]

I had watched a number of videos about the subframe issue in general and why not to use a 3pt backhoe on a subcompact. Has anyone looked in to non-Kubota backhoes with the bolt on subframe attachment that could fit the BX Kubotas?

 

[GRBates]

I am new here and don't want to step on anyone's toes with this reply, but I just bought a wrecked BX23S with a good BT603 backhoe and LA344 loader that were both in perfect condition. I found a good BX2380 with no attachments. I removed the loader brackets and rear backhoe brackets from the BX23S (all bolted on) and installed them on the BX2380. Also had to move the hydraulic lines (power beyond and return) from the BX23S. Everything was a perfect, direct bolt-on fit. I did buy new grade 8.8 frame bolts just for added peace of mind. The end result is a perfect unit indistinguishable from the BX23S except for the model decal on the tractor. The only issue is that the seat does not swivel - not sure how I'll handle that since the original BX23S seat was destroyed. So, yes, the backhoe can be added to the BX2380. If you have to buy the brackets from Kubota, it might not make economic sense, but I was lucky enough to have everything on hand that was needed.

 

[JeremyBX2200]

I am new here and don't want to step on anyone's toes with this reply, but I just bought a wrecked BX23S with a good BT603 backhoe and LA344 loader that were both in perfect condition. I found a good BX2380 with no attachments. I removed the loader brackets and rear backhoe brackets from the BX23S (all bolted on) and installed them on the BX2380. Also had to move the hydraulic lines (power beyond and return) from the BX23S. Everything was a perfect, direct bolt-on fit. I did buy new grade 8.8 frame bolts just for added peace of mind. The end result is a perfect unit indistinguishable from the BX23S except for the model decal on the tractor. The only issue is that the seat does not swivel - not sure how I'll handle that since the original BX23S seat was destroyed. So, yes, the backhoe can be added to the BX2380. If you have to buy the brackets from Kubota, it might not make economic sense, but I was lucky enough to have everything on hand that was needed.

Just for curiosity sake, are you able to look to see if there is any reinforcement for the wrecked BX.

I believe the issue is with people who use a 3pt backhoe on the BX. When all the backhoe weight is just on the 3pt and bounces it puts a lot of pressure/torque on the BX subframe and bend it.

I would have to look at diagrams, but did the backhoe brackets bolt to the BX subframe?

I have a bx2200. They also made a backhoe version BX22, but with the age of mine finding a used kubota setup from a BX22 was not a real possibility. Woods makes a backhoe with the subframe attachment for the BX2200, but it was something like $8k. I ended up getting g a tow behind unit.

 

[GRBates]

Just for curiosity sake, are you able to look to see if there is any reinforcement for the wrecked BX.

I believe the issue is with people who use a 3pt backhoe on the BX. When all the backhoe weight is just on the 3pt and bounces it puts a lot of pressure/torque on the BX subframe and bend it.

I would have to look at diagrams, but did the backhoe brackets bolt to the BX subframe?

I have a bx2200. They also made a backhoe version BX22, but with the age of mine finding a used kubota setup from a BX22 was not a real possibility. Woods makes a backhoe with the subframe attachment for the BX2200, but it was something like $8k. I ended up getting g a tow behind unit.

Yes , the brackets removed from the 23S were heavily reinforced. The rear part of the 2380 frame had to be removed (also bolted on) and the backhoe/subframe bolted on. Once that was done there is no difference at all between the new 2380 configuration and the old 23S. The main point I wanted to make is that there is no welding needed and the result is identical to the BX23S subframe. I agree with the issues of using a 3pt mounted backhoe and I didn't want to go that route.

Update: I've probably been using the wrong terminology. What I am calling the backhoe brackets are what Kubota calls a fender bracket. These are what I swapped between the two tractors. The backhoe attachment points are indeed welded to the BX23S fender brackets. They are still bolt-on interchangeable. Messick's has good diagrams of both models.

 

[torch]

Update: I've probably been using the wrong terminology. What I am calling the backhoe brackets are what Kubota calls a fender bracket. These are what I swapped between the two tractors. The backhoe attachment points are indeed welded to the BX23S fender brackets. They are still bolt-on interchangeable. Messick's has good diagrams of both models.

That explains why people thought the brackets were welded to the tractor at the factory.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

re: swivel seat.....
IF you have to buy ALL the bits and pieces ,you're looking at about $3K CDN bu I don't know how much of your original seat + mounting could be reused. Maybe print off the 'seat parts' pages/diagrams and highlite the 'common' parts ?