Oil Spews out of Gasket after oil change- Mechanics fault?

LongHairedTractor

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I had someone change the oil and oil filter on my kabota L48. After about 20 minutes of use it started shooting oil all over the place. We located the leak from a gasket. I can get the specific part if needed. Luckily none of it leaked onto the field. It was a big mess.

Now I was going to have the same mechanic fix the new issue, but should I? Could this be the mechanics fault? how so?
 

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I had someone change the oil and oil filter on my kabota L48. After about 20 minutes of use it started shooting oil all over the place. We located the leak from a gasket. I can get the specific part if needed. Luckily none of it leaked onto the field. It was a big mess.

Now I was going to have the same mechanic fix the new issue, but should I? Could this be the mechanics fault? how so?
" We located the leak from a gasket"

Where did it shoot out from? Gonna guess from around the oil filter gasket? What happened more than likely is the OLD gasket was still on the block, and the new filter slapped another gasket on top! If true - take filter off, inspect the filter and block - scrap block and place filter back on - if filter is messed up, replace.

THE shop should do all this ....for free.....come to your HOUSE and do it.....
 

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Yea your going to have to give me more information before I can give you a good answer, pictures would help too.
 

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Re: Oil Spews out of a seal after oil change- Mechanics fault?

Thanks for the replies. Sorry for the lack of info, I was in a hurry.

It is not the gasket around the oil filter.

Also, its not a gasket, its a seal.

I believe its a seal next to the oil pump lever (what the mechanic said).

the part number of the seal is 15471-57980
 

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The likely hood of oil spewing out of the engine stop lever is... well my 10,000 least possible choice of answers!
I think your mechanic is taking you for a ride!
I order for the crankcase to build enough pressure to force oil up to a plate that's at the top of the motor and then force it out a space that has about a 1/2 mm tolerance without the seal in place, sounds very very unlikely.

The only way that you could build that much pressure for that to remotely happen is if the breather on the valve cover is completely plugged and when that happens the #1 result is the dip stick pops out.

Again I think your mechanic is covering up a mistake he made!

The #1 cause for major oil loss after a oil change is an improperly installed oil filter!
 
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Jiffy Lube has killed thousands of motors by double gasketing them. They are trying to hurry and don't check the block, or bother to oil the new filter's gasket.
 

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Assuming your mechanic is a "normal" mechanic....

when the oil change is done, they remove 2 drain bolts, both of which have copper washers between the bolt head and oil pan. Oil drains out. Mechanic puts the bolts back in, then removes the oil filter and replaces with a new one. Then he removes the fill plug and pours 8 quarts of oil in, roughly. Reinstall fill plug, start engine, then check the filter for leaks. Shut it off, wait about 5 minutes or so, double check the oil level, add if necessary by removing the fill plug again and adding a small amount until the oil level gage (dip stick) reads full. That is how an oil change is done.

Not a single seal or gasket is touched. The oil filter has a square cut o-ring on it. Occasionally the gasket will stick to the filter adapter (not to the block since the filter doesn't go on the block itself, it goes onto an adapter that is bolted to the gearcase cover on the front of the engine). If the gasket stays on the adapter, the tech should always check, I look at the old filter after I pull it off. If the filter has the o-ring on it, it's good to go in the trash. If it's not on it, first thing to do is look at the filter adapter, it's usually there, or in the drain bucket when it fell off. Either way, it needs to be found (or like they say in Georgia "fount"). If it is left on the adapter, the new filter's gasket will seal against the old gasket, but there is such a large area for oil pressure to apply force to that it usually blows out one or both gaskets, normally (about 90% of the time), it happens within seconds of starting the engine. That would be a big BIG leak, by the way...8 quarts of oil in maybe 20 to 30 seconds.

So assuming he did it correctly...filter gaskets checked and not "double gasketed", then there is another leak, which would be unrelated to the oil change (unless there was something else done during the oil change). If that is the case, on an L48, the first place I look is around the sides of the engine. Also on the front of the block. There are welch plugs that plug oil galley holes in the block. Those holes were drilled as part of machining the block. It is not uncommon for those plugs, one or more, to come out. A few of them are behind the front axle frame and cannot be seen without removal of the front axle frame assembly, which also means at least partial removal of the loader and backhoe, then the subframes, then the front axle frame. Have seen one or two of those plugs come out while engine running, operator did not know, and destroyed the engine. It is an expensive repair. If that was the case with the OP's tractor, it would be completely unrelated to the oil change unless the oil change entailed more than a simple oil change, at which point we aren't getting the entire story. If that IS the entire story, oil change only, then any leak beyond a double-gasketed oil filter would be unrelated to any other leak, and IMO would be considered an unfortunate coincidence that it happened not long after the oil change was done. Welcome to the life of a technician. "Hey I just had my truck in for oil change and now the tire's flat....you pieces of garbage grease monkeys are going to PAY for that tire that you screwed up".....believe me...it happens quite often.
 

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Jiffy Lube has killed thousands of motors by double gasketing them. They are trying to hurry and don't check the block, or bother to oil the new filter's gasket.
Yup, had an issue with a speedy lube over that. Got my oil changed by the new kid working there. Got five miles down the road, and just hit the base of the mountain I lived on when the oil light came on. Whipped into a pull off for the swimming hole and checked. There was oil every where, and no oil filter :mad: Had to walk a mile to the nearest pay phone to call and raise holy hell. About three quarters of the way to the phone my boss happened to come by and gave me a lift back to the speed lube place.
 

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Theres the key, remove "2"drain plugs. Pour in "8" quarts. What if one plug was pulled and 8 quarts poured in??

Boss pulled me off 710 change i was half way through, 20 minutes later he goes to take car out-lowers hoist starts car and pumps all oil onto floor.
To top it off, he knew i was waiting for the oil filter.

Have seen many loose filters. Double gaskets.
 
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Jiffy Lube has killed thousands of motors by double gasketing them. They are trying to hurry and don't check the block, or bother to oil the new filter's gasket.
Daren,

We've had gypo lube issues also. They took out an original oil drain plug and installed an aftermarket plug and cross threaded it. I noticed the leak and complained. They said to bring it in an we did. Now he wants to talk me into a helicoil type of plug. I didn't want shavings inside our new engine. Here, I put my foot down and demanded a new pan. I told him that if you remove original factory equipment without telling the owner, you're responsible. The new pan cost them about $600 at the car dealer done right. It was a newer Toyota.

No more gypo lube. It's a drive by now.

Burt
 

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Daren,

We've had gypo lube issues also. They took out an original oil drain plug and installed an aftermarket plug and cross threaded it. I noticed the leak and complained. They said to bring it in an we did. Now he wants to talk me into a helicoil type of plug. I didn't want shavings inside our new engine. Here, I put my foot down and demanded a new pan. I told him that if you remove original factory equipment without telling the owner, you're responsible. The new pan cost them about $600 at the car dealer done right. It was a newer Toyota.

No more gypo lube. It's a drive by now.

Burt
Boy, it seems that everyone has their stories like this. I'm no different.

I used to have Jiffy lube do my oil changes back in the 1990's. I had a Dodge/Shelby Intercooled VNT Shadow. It was a monster for such a small car. Drawback was it had to have it's air filter changed like clockwork every 3 months or you'd lose performance quickly in that wonderful So. California air.

I had just changed my air filter a week before I took the car into Jippy Lube. I was sitting in the waiting area, watching them work when I watched the 'lube guy' take out my brand new airfilter and run his greasy/oily/dirty hands over the pristine white filter baffles and make it dirty. He then came into the waiting area and showed me the filter and said it needed to be changed. *I* blew the gasket at that point. I immediately called for the manager, explained to him what the guy did (which the guy denied) and I told him I watched him do it. The manager fought me over the $10 air filter and I said that I would never go back to a Jiffy Lube ever again if he did not change that filter right then and there. He didn't.

I pulled the receipt from Kragen that was in the SAME center at the Jippy Lube and showed him the purchase of the air filter and the date thereof (just happened to still have it in my jacket pocket!) I paid them for the oil change, kept the filter on the car for another month and then replaced it. I have also never been back to ANY quick change place.

I figure that slimy sales tactic and air filter has now cost Jippy Lube around $4,000. Hope they feel it was worth it.

BTW, use Wal-Mart now. Awesome service, can shop while they do the work and I've never had an issue. They do my tires too.
 

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i used k-mart for a oil change. they put too much oil in. causing the oil to foam and created engine noise. after dropping the oil and replacing with the correct amount, along with a new set of rockers and lifters. the engine was running smoothly again. it was a new engine. less than 2,000 miles on it.. thankfully the mains and rods, were o.k.